I guess the OP can request removal of a conversion, but I would think only in the case where they have made an official conversion.

First, by cutting up my post, you removed the context of the statements, since I had a quote responding to YOUR post. Handy dandy reference. Second, most of these are trying to insult and attack me. "My inner vigilante", pretending as if I was going off on some tangent instead of responding to the second part of your post. Telling me what I was thinking, however off base you are. Next time, try to debate without less low blows.

Now, first. I don't see what's wrong with punishment. If you don't spank a child when he's young for doing something wrong, and ignore it, or just give him a cookie, he does it again. This never fails. Second, I was saying that you said you would never read the rules or follow them. That was my response. Third. Only so many moderators, Alenth. If we confront every one, that takes time out and no one knows they should. Why not eliminate the problem with an all around rule? Doesn't need a banhammer. Like I said, have it held to the standard of the other rules. Fourth. In fact, I did nothing, because I wanted to talk to you first. I now see that this was fruitless, and I should have talked directly to them, since you seem to have no interest in doing work for the fear of losing you admin if something goes wrong. Fifth. Self moderation is fine, but if you didn't notice, most people hold themselves to their own interpretation of moral conduct. If they decide they don' want to give credit because getting ahead by any way is permissible, they do it. Sixth. Banhammer is the only form of punishment on forums. Refer to one.

Stop having mod-fights in GD. Jesus, you have IRC and PMs for a reason. People should be allowed to convert if they credit OC. Simple. Also, I'm god.

Moving on, this is where the PEOPLE are supposed to post to say their opinions on the matter. Alenth posted, trying to sway the opinions of posters, I fought back to keep it neutral. It continued. Alenth, let's be quiet for now and just listen.

Give credit + Original maker doesn't care/has left = Who gives a ♥♥♥♥?

Problem solved.

Or you could lock the topic and go with the general opinion that cinverting is fine as long as you ask the OC and they aren't around.

Thank you for restating what I said a few posts above, TD. Albeit simplified. Did you even take time to read them?

Nephilim: Or we could ask the people what the general opinion is. Little do you know that your opinion isn't the general opinion sometimes!

Yes, however, being massive, not everyone would, hence, simplified.

Also, Alenth asked for opinions, I gave one that agreed with you, still you complain?

But he is right, that is the general opinion.

Yay for making blanket statements when you don't know me? Also yay for misinterpretation. I said THE GENERAL OPINION WAS. Meaning most people posting said same thing etc.

TD: No, I was just saying it was a pointless post. Even though it wasn't, now that I think about it. Sorry, Fun-Motion knee-jerk reaction.

Nephilim: Sorry, I misunderstood. I also misstated. I meant that not many have posted yet. It's like taking a survey of five people to find the favorite drink of a country.

Eh, truth. Mutual misunderstanding, my bad, etc.

Other than that your post was already nicely split into a list, I just made it more apparent and also made it simpler to respond to each point, if the context had been all theat essential a list form wouldn't have worked, I would think. Also, I was cross-referenceing posts while I wrote that reply. Handy-dandy.




Alright, direct reply to what you actually said is "I am punishing people." I still stand by the statement that you went off in a way I didn't intend. Also, despite any "low blows," I am still curious as to how you precieved that the topic you saw was a problem.




Uh, didn't I advocate both punishment and a number of more rational solutions?
Oh, you went back to my post. Uhm, punishing people for not giving credit HOW? The only real punishment we have is a ban. That's a tad severe.




And I was reffering to your statements about the split demographics, whatever. Not sure if it's really something that can be discussed, it died so hard. I had originally intented it as a query as to how you thought these rules would work on the "idiotic" members.




I still like self-moderation within the userbase. Peer moderation is a powerful tool.




I'm fairly sure that most of what I've done in the last two days is far more likely to get me demodded than creating unneeded rules. I do not abide with punishing someone for forgetting or neglecting to give credit. However, if they refuse to add in credit after being confronted or some such, then it's more of an issue for moderators to deal with.




See above.




I was reffering to to the statement directly above, in that self-moderation is the key to reducing the moderators and admins workload. And yes, it is.

Two answers fit this whole thing. One, why I saw that something was wrong with that topic? Refer to chatlog, refer to THE REASON FOR THIS TOPIC. Two. Peer moderation is great. If it works. Which on this forum, it normally doesn't, because people get flamed and continue doing what they were doing. And mods do nothing about it.

Three, actually. Banhammer isn't severe, there's this little thing called timed bans. It's a forum, not the center of your life. A day ban even shouldn't cause the world to end. Spanking them would be worse!