Ah, didn't remember the last phrase there.

Anyways, I'm standing by my statement that the only reason this is even on our agenda is becuase you were sitting around today wondering what uneeded "fixes" you could try and implement on here.

Not a politician, just a lobbyist trying to get enough of a reputation to become one.

And on that final note, I suggest a lock as this has become you and Empyreal discussing it, when you could just keep this to PMs.

I think that as long as it's a simple conversion, and no big changes are being made, it shouldn't be a problem. The converter needs to give credit and link to the original thread if existing, though.

If large changes that possibly change form or function are necessary, then it would be preferable to ask first. On that note, I think mod makers should start stating their licenses in topics or INIs.

Whatever the verdict of this thread is needs to be put into our rules, of course. I really think we should rewrite them to suit ourselves instead of copying Blockland's almost word-for-word.

Blocklands rules have served OBL extremely well, they have one admin and one global mod. They also have relatively few issues.

I wasn't. I went to mods and finally decided something had to be done after I saw ANOTHER conversion today. I'm sorry for trying to help, I suppose I should ignore anything that goes on from now on, even if it needs fixing.

TD, we're discussing it, and if you notice, other people are posting too. Let them post, don't lock it so that they can't speak.

And that's what I was saying, cambiogris. The giving credit part.

And the rules part too.

Alenth, it's a different forum. They're not all cookie cutter copies. This one is a strange mix of intelligent and idiotic. It's volatile. We need the rules custom cut to fit our shape.

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Everything under Mods is covered by this.

I can say "Don't be a douchbag." But that's so general that no one will follow it. Most would assume yours applies to when people help make mods, and thus won't consider it for converting. Or at least the dumb one's wouldn't. Make something there specifically for this, and we're done.

Something that specifies giving credit when converting and trying to contact the mod creator. If the mod creator responds within a day, give it to them and let them post it with credit to you for converting.

Took me 10 seconds to write this addition underneath.



No need for announcements, no need for fanfare.

I love it, Moderators are clearly able to know if someone has completed these necessary steps.

You certainly have faith in our community Empyreal, I wonder why we would need these rules when we have "idiotic" members who would surely just forget them, or never read them.

To be honest, I never even READ that topic Electro just linked, it's rather hidden.

"I went to mods and finally decided something had to be done after I saw ANOTHER conversion today."
You wrote this rule because conversions EXIST? Or am I missing something here?

I know all forums are different, but moderating everything the userbase does isn't exactly a solution.

First, if they didn't, then obviously the mod creator would complain. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter to him, and therefore not at all. Second, then we're already doing it wrong. If people don't follow the rules because there's no punishment, and therefore don't care enough to read them, we have big problems. Third, I was saying that because I saw ANOTHER conversion without credit given, my classification of the problem changed from annoying but menial to an actual problem. Fourth. Explain then the solution. Not moderating at all? Giving all the members free run? We're the MODERATION FORCE, Alenth. We're not here to make everyone happy. We're here to... that's right, moderate!

Although keeping people happy is good too, you don't do it at the expense of having morons running around flaming, spamming, and behaving in a generally unsavory way.

That's a nice point, but as it stands now, your rule would probably still mandate some punishment.



I'm not even sure where you got this angle. My point was that you keep pulling this card on DRLFF being split between intelligent and idiotic, as if we're teh only forum with differing reasoning skills. Then, when I bring it up to see how your ideas fit in with that idea, you go off on some tangent.



But did you see it being a problem, or was it only a problem to your inner vigilante?



I love being fed words. Try re-reading my post; I said we shouldn't moderate users to the point that every post is a carbon-copy because anything else results in a punishment. You seem interested in eliminating every possible little injustice you can find, be it important, unimportant, or trivial ad naseum. Would not a better way to encourage people to give credit be confronting them about it in a cool manner and having them edit their post?


In light of what I just said, what exacty DID you do for the person who posted a conversion without credit today Empy? Did you edit their post and not inform them? Or maybe you PMed them? Perhaps issued a warning? I think it might serve other people better if you posted the reminder that credit is courteous publicly, where people who aren't even modders yet may see it, and remember it in the future. A self-moderating userbase is the best kind, provided they have a sense of kindness in their practice.


And needing to hold a banhammer over their heads to prevent it is tiring.

Technically, the person who releases it would be more of the publisher. It should be stated though who the developer is if there is one, a reason why the author's place on a book isn't held by the publisher. Although what can you do? It's not like the creators can print their initials on the .rar file.

That's the problem. However, since people don't like their mods being stolen and claimed as someone else's, this is I think the best way to appease them.

And the part about having the original creator post it is because, well, what mod maker doesn't want to post their own mod? They're proud of it.

I would appreciate it if my rather long post is responded to.

As long as a conversion is of good quality and the creator states they made it and the person edits it there should be no problem.