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Feminism is almost entirely represented by tumblr morons and sarkeesian to internet nerds, not the world at large.

Not really http://youtu.be/FWxAljFlb-c , http://youtu.be/VwKKi7ApP4I
Not to mention there are whole commercial campaigns trying to spread a feminist victim complex, like the dove commercials and #likeagirl
It's irresponsible to reject the popularity and influence of the feminists.

2nd Wave Feminism was also massive, and everyone forgets that they rewrote a lot of laws in favor of women, and were fronted and led by several renowned transphobes and heterophobes that hate anyone who was ever a man at any point in their life, and that hetero sex is rape. This happened. Interesting blog about it: http://theterfs.com/


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I finished Brolands last night. The game was quite fun, so after I'm done with the DLC I'll begin Brolands 2. Also the 2k weekend on Steam looks good, I'd totally get the Bioshock series and X-Com. I'll see if I can get someone to borrow me his/her credit card for that. For the summer sale there was a guy doing that at my school, I'll try to contact him.

Ugh, Steam is gonna make me poor.


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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=factual+feminist btw this chick is rad


Just watched a few of her videos, they seem unsatisfactorily short and shallow analyses of the issues discussed to me. Does she have longer versions/textual versions with deeper discussions of her positions?


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Hey this is cool. Someone hand me a fork, I gotta eat my words.


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This Zoe scandal has become a turning point to make a critical hit against yellow journalism.

We need to be more vocal than any SJW has ever been for what we've known has been happening for these past years.

There is no failure, if we only speak.


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This Zoe scandal has become a turning point to make a critical hit against yellow journalism.

We need to be more vocal than any SJW has ever been for what we've known has been happening for these past years.

There is no failure, if we only speak.

The hilarious part is that journalists continue to decry the Gaming Community (the combined forces of Reddit, Tumblr, and 4chan) as the tawdry "Sub-Human Cis White Straight Male" Archetype, and as Far-Right Extremists trying to ruin social progress within gaming.
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That's not...entirely true. It is entirely related to why sites are censoring this story. Over the past few years, many sites and authors on those sites have gotten RABIDLY "progressive" (whether they're actually progressive is up for debate).

Zoe Quinn has been both personally progressive (with her SJW opinions and views) and professionally progressive (with her being a female game dev, role model, yadda yadda). We have found out that she was a fraud in both areas. Her personally progressive views turned out to be a sham as she cheated on her boyfriend, lied to him, and committed "rape" by her own definition of the word. Her professionally progressive "this is how female developers should be" persona turned out to be a sham as well, as she faked harassment, faked being hacked, lied, manipulated, and used others to advance her career.

The game news media who had affixed to her professional progressivism are seeing her going down in flames, which really does undermine the "progressive" stuff they're been trying to shove down our throats. Rather than admit the role model they thrust in front of us was a fraud, they'd rather pretend like nothing has happened, so they can continue to push their agendas.

These agendas are the basis of a huge portion of the mistrust in gaming media, to the point where Tito earlier admitted the agenda even trumped the truth.

Growing disgust in the falsely progressive aspects of game journalism is one of the facets in this scandal. You cannot pretend otherwise. What we can separate though is the disgust at her personally progressive actions vs her professionally progressive ones. The latter are the damaging ones related to gaming.

It's also important to mention that this is just ONE part of this story you should be angry about. There are many others.


Funny thing is, I'm a progressive as well. Heck, by most definitions I'd be incredibly liberal leaning on "Socialist" at times. The thing is this "progressive" nonsense they're trying to force into gaming is more like a cult than anything. It's more about control in my opinion than actually promoting social progress. The second you bring game developers to heel and force your agenda through,the greater control you have over the medium and the ability to spread your message.

This cult-like "FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE!" nonsense is, frankly, disgusting in my opinion. Just as these stupid "LULZ! UBISOFT IS TOO LAZY TO MAKE WOMEN! IT'S SO HARD WORK!" comments that show up in virtually every AC thread are. I mean really, they're asking a company to scrap a game they've worked on for years and spend God only knows how many more dollars editing things to replace Arno with a female equivalent.

But that's beside the point. Women enjoy games as well, and quite a great deal of women enjoy games even if they aren't playing as their own gender. Yes, we should promote more female characters but this screeching "OH MY GAAAAAAWD! ANOTHER MALE!" nonsense and jumping to the defense of any female dev (as we've seen with this Zoe Quinn issue) isn't the good way to go about it. We should promote and encourage games with female leads. We should support groups like the young capitalists in getting women involved in the industry! We should show SUPPORT for games with females, not stamp and shout and talk about boycotts whenever a AAA game doesn't scrap it's male character at the cries of the SJW crowd.

That's why, as someone who has actually gone through depression before and who loves gaming, I feel Zoe Quinn is a horrible person. Her and her agenda have undermined both the cause of women in gaming and progressives as a whole. It has gotten an ideology that I normally would support and turned it into a cult demanding total obedience. A cult where the perks include being able to snidely talk down to other gamers for "not supporting equality" and where the ultimate goal seems to be total control of the industry.

When it comes to my political beliefs, I feel they should be disorganized and anarchic. Coming together to unite against a common foe and then dispersing when the danger has passed. Not tightly binding one person to the next with iron and supporting liars and bullies at all costs solely because the others demand it.

In a sense, despite not being a fan of it, I suppose 4chan holds an ideal I like. They have a vaguely similar mindset, yet not to the point of being a "hive".


http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.858347.21297687


But yeah, this isn't about SJW (though by all right it is in part because of them), it's about gaming. The abuse of the gaming community by those that are obligated to serve the gamers.

Seriously, I'm tired of the god damn clickbait that calls pretty much everyone, and anyone sexist, fascist pigs, but does nothing to remedy the situation, nor talk about the massive figures within gaming that aren't SJW trash (which again a laugh, since the journalists are responsible for their prominence), people like Roberta Williams, and her ilk from the 1990's that did something (to which SJW's are a device).

At the very least, the news sites have mostly shut their traps, Zoe is shut down, and Anita is avoiding this like the plague.


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Anita is smart. She does everything in the most inoffensive and approachable ways, frames her videos and criticisms well (by not replying to any of it and disabling comments on her video). There are many videos that critically evaluate her arguments, but she sets it up to where she still seems to be in the right. She's a very skillful politician, and most likely knows many of her opinions are very weak. But she portrays it this way for a reason. She is making so much money and gaining so much power in critic and game circles, just by releasing a strawman video once a year. Granted, she's meddling with my industry, but she still should be applauded for her strategies. She doesn't slip up or have tantrums ever, unlike the other people with similar intentions in the game journalist circle.

In a way, you could say Anita is like Zoe Quinn but smart, which is why she's not touching the issue.


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Alright guys, I have to admit it. I have no idea of what the hell are you all talking about. I followed everything from the beginning but it all got darker and darker.

Now, if you excuse me, I'll go back under my rock.


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Alright guys, I have to admit it. I have no idea of what the hell are you all talking about. I followed everything from the beginning but it all got darker and darker.

Please. We hit a pitch even darker than black itself after this whole hacking thing started.


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Should I feel bad for not knowing anything at all of what you guys are discussing, or for not caring as much as you guys do?


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Everyone just needs to be more chill.


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I was drunk and I shouldn't have opened that can of worms, largely because I don't care enough to put effort into responding to anything. Too lazy to do anything but snipe from the sidelines. In other news, we should discuss interesting things, like the best way to make love to a woman or techniques for cooking bacon. Maybe even cock maintenance tips, who knows, let's get wild.


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Let's talk about our feelings.


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