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What did the "D" in dmod.rte stand for? Also, where can I find this prehistoric clutter of masterpiece?


Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:32 pm
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I heard asklar left most of the internet behind suddenly or something. I think it was in this topic a few pages bank. but he was a cool guy.


Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:38 pm
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everything except forum games is lame and should be ditched

cortex command itself was created solely in order to support a forum with a subforum dedicated to play-by-post entertainment

those are the facts
how you react to the facts is up to you


Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:03 pm
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Kettenkrad wrote:
I miss Asklar,

HIlarious enough, he decided one day that he was tired of DRLFF.
Straight up left without telling anyone goodbye.

I tried convincing him to come back, even to #LD but he didn't want any part of it.
It's too bad. I miss him too. I should try to talk to him again.


Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:43 pm
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TheKebbit wrote:
forum games is lame and should be ditched

cortex command itself was created solely in order to support a forum with a subforum dedicated to immense faggotry

those are the facts
how you react to the facts is up to you

Fixed that for ya.


Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:34 pm
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Coops wrote:
I wouldn't say it's all just Offtopic/forum game people here now.

There's still a good number of lurkers and veteran mod makers that help out with any game related troubles people have.

Throughout the forum's development I'd say this is a rather cozy and chill Arctic place

Of course, we still have great people like weegee and Major cranking out mods, and I don't mean to discredit them! That said, they're the exception to the rule when it comes to the modding/scene portion of the forum — in general, people don't seem to stick around for too long.

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I don't know if it was just me being a whiner though, but i feel that the community was a LOT less forgiving back then than it is now.

This forum was seriously pretty mean back then, yeah. I remember reading on other forums about how they had visited here and left because it was so toxic. That's why we ended up with weasel for a while, and that was certainly a big part of what I was still trying to fix after weasel left.


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What is that vermin doing these days anyways?

I heard he was doing work for a skyship like game?


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He just up and left? That's rather odd. I almost don't believe it. I thought it was some sort of health problem. If he's happy that's all I care about. I guess that's all anybody can say for somebody we only know as a nickname.

You must really like him. :grin:


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SORRY TO INTERRUPT
If you wanna read probably the dumbest and nerdiest thing ever, here ya go.

Sorry if you actually read that.


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Sorry if you actually read that.

Not at all, it's interesting to think about.

I realize this might be a pessimistic way of viewing it, but I think that we can only ever create something equal to us, not greater, at most. If we are replicating human beings, we can only ever replicate as much as we know about ourselves. So when the technology is there and enough money and time has been spent I think we could replicate a human being, but it will only ever be as great as the people ourselves, like I think Tyrone (lawl) says at the end.

Tbh, I don't know how the brain lets us think as we think, and I don't know if current knowledge can explain that far. Maybe if/once we know how that works, we'll then be able to replicate that and truly make something that can evolve beyond our own capabilities, but for now I think it'll only have the same potential. It's advantages would just be quicker arithmatic and possibly physical power, things like that. Probably more or less contrasted by more power/time needed process emotions and stuff, things that the human brain handles as easily as a computer handles large-scale addition or multiplication.
Actually, I think that would just be concerning a computer based AI. Don't think anything was mentioned about what the AI is based on, what it physically is, so I guess those traits don't really apply or matter here anyways.

I don't doubt AI driven machines could form completely self-supporting societies once we're able to give them the functions/capabilities needed to know how. Dogs, wolves and other animals already form what I think are societies, so it doesn't even have to be human level of complication (even though I guess we're still far off from creating something as complicated as a dog).


Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:34 am
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See people praising an incomplete game for its modding community is just dumb. I really think Bethesda is a terrible company, yet Skyrim has been one of the most fun games I've ever played, and the second most played game for me ever (behind Tales of Symphonia)(It's not even a sandbox game). Still though, you have to draw the line somewhere. Here's what I generally think of Data Realms.. Data created a better forum than a game. It's the selfless nature of the suckers who took developing the game into their own hands that kept the site afloat in the early days, and it is me among many other off topic forumites who keep the site active. This is quite ironic, since I joined the site to bother Contrary, and stayed to bother Torrent. This leads into a big announcement of mine, so I'll keep it spoilered.

Back to my original point, I have no reason to praise Data other than the fact that he made a decent forum based around a dimly lit game in perma-beta.

Weasel sounds like what I was almost like and could've become on Zerozaku. Glad that didn't happen. Having fun is rather fun.


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Emogotsaone wrote:
I realize this might be a pessimistic way of viewing it, but I think that we can only ever create something equal to us, not greater, at most. If we are replicating human beings, we can only ever replicate as much as we know about ourselves. So when the technology is there and enough money and time has been spent I think we could replicate a human being, but it will only ever be as great as the people ourselves, like I think Tyrone (lawl) says at the end.


First off, how do you define "greater?" I doubt you mean physically, because that would be the easiest thing to improve.

So, mentally then? It depends on what you see as good. Are emotions a good thing? Do they make it easier to function or more difficult? Is simply giving something more processing power making it smarter? Or dumping it with loads of knowledge as well? If you can consistently create organisms that are equal to what are considered the "best" humans, then that's already better, and exceeding that would be boosting their physical abilities further, increasing processing power, and memory.

Also, if you have a plain average human and make them immortal, in the sense that they don't die from age or become inflicted with chronic mental illnesses, that individual will eventually surpass humans simply from accumulated knowledge and experience.


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Emo, are you familiar with Descartes?
If we were to even create something "greater" than ourselves, they wouldn't be greater than us. With intellect rivaling our own gives way to them choosing their own destiny. They may be creations; yet they think, therefor, they are. Once a creature becomes existential, it is on the same plane as us. They too can wrap their heads around morality, subjectivism, and philosophy. So in their minds, what would make them better than us? What would make them worse? We ask the same things. Can anything truly be greater than our species if such greatness can't be quantified? Are we, the creators beneath them, despite the fact that we have created them?

In short, advanced thought leads to liberalism, subjectivism, and autonomy. They will act for themselves like us, think of others, and see that their feats don't control their destiny as a species.

And if what we create is not something of intelligence, then we use ours to enforce coexistence.
If what we create is intelligent, hostile, and free of emotion, then perhaps we should worry. Yet they wouldn't be better as we would have emotion, they would be able to stop us, given they have the means and reasons. Honestly though, the emotionless robot trope is so dead tired, I've had enough of it. If humonculi are created, I hope that they are creatures of emotion like us. They could give us more insight.


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I couldn't think of anything conclusively, or in an organized manner because I'm mostly compiling my raw and rough thoughts on pure text, much like a child.

Anyways, any new form that can sustain a personality/person/advanced intelligence/whatever would provide interesting insight for humans, whom have a personality/person/advanced intelligence/whatever.
Any new form would have immense differences when it comes to instincts and other basic function, so the issue seems intractable. As intractable as imagining life on new planets.







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For the record, weasel (aka Andy Moore) left the forum to focus on his own game, Steambirds. It made him a lot of money and had a few sequels which also made a lot of money, so he's doing fine. He's actually a pretty nice dude, and while I disagreed with some of his policies, he was doing what he was hired to do. Like Shook mentioned, this forum used to be really hostile, and he did help to solve that even if it meant pissing off some longstanding members.


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