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			| Ragdollmaster 
					Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:09 am
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 Location: Being The Great Juju
   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimCo-op kind of takes away from the whole "YOU ARE THE SUPER UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND DESTINED HERO" concept, too. You could make Player 2 an unimportant grunt, but what fun is that? 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:37 pm | 
					
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			| Naxete 
					Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:12 pm
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimRagdollmaster wrote: Co-op kind of takes away from the whole "YOU ARE THE SUPER UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND DESTINED HERO" concept, too. You could make Player 2 an unimportant grunt, but what fun is that?I'm agreed here, they haven't done a side history for 2nd players, so you'll be just one playable companion... let me be stubborn here, why didn't they improved the horses? NOT EVEN ARMORS FOR THEM ! =( I reached the point, inside a game, when the more I know, the less I like.
 
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			| LordVonKain 
					Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:49 am
 Posts: 826
 Location: England
   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimNaxete wrote: Ragdollmaster wrote: Co-op kind of takes away from the whole "YOU ARE THE SUPER UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND DESTINED HERO" concept, too. You could make Player 2 an unimportant grunt, but what fun is that?I'm agreed here, they haven't done a side history for 2nd players, so you'll be just one playable companion... let me be stubborn here, why didn't they improved the horses? NOT EVEN ARMORS FOR THEM ! =( I reached the point, inside a game, when the more I know, the less I like.dlc's GLORIOUS DLC's. To be fair i think they may have gone a tad lazy on some part for the PC version and pretty much gone " oh there's  a massive modding scene, we let them see the bugs, Release the tools and they fix it for us."
 
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			| Ragdollmaster 
					Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:09 am
 Posts: 1115
 Location: Being The Great Juju
   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimI was disappointed by the lack of horseback combat. I hate having to dismount anytime a squirrel leaps in front of my mount. 
 Well, I can just plow freely through most obstacles with Shadowmere of course, but it's still annoying.
 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:13 pm | 
					
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimIf a Diablo2 clone can have horseback combat, how come Skyrim can't? 
 
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			| Metal Chao 
					Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 6:04 pm
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimSothe wrote: If a Diablo2 clone can have horseback combat, how come Skyrim can't?I don't think you understand how games programming works
 
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrimmetal chao wrote: Sothe wrote: If a Diablo2 clone can have horseback combat, how come Skyrim can't?I don't think you understand how games programming worksI'm just making a point. You can interpret it any way you want.
 
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			| Lizardheim DRL Developer 
					Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am
 Posts: 4107
 Location: Russia
   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimSothe wrote: If a Diablo2 clone can have horseback combat, how come Skyrim can't?Because the devs of the Diablo 2 clone added horseback combat and the devs of Skyrim didn't?
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:09 pm | 
					
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimLizardheim wrote: Sothe wrote: If a Diablo2 clone can have horseback combat, how come Skyrim can't?Because the devs of the Diablo 2 clone added horseback combat and the devs of Skyrim didn't?I was kind of making a point that devs get lazy when their game is close to finished.
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:11 pm | 
					
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			| Metal Chao 
					Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 6:04 pm
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimThe more complicated a game is, the more complicated it is to add additional features.Diablo is a 2D game (it has 3D graphics but it is 2 dimensional), so horseback combat is vastly easier to implement.
 There are additional layers of complexity on top of that.
 
 Your point is pretty much completely invalid.
 It is nothing to do with laziness.
 
 Also how much would horseback combat add really?
 It'd be nice for immersion's sake but it honestly wouldn't be as exciting as I think you think it would be.
 The only people it'd be worth fighting on horseback would be other riders, unless you were using arrows or magic (and then you'd have a far less accurate aim)
 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:12 pm | 
					
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrimmetal chao wrote: The more complicated a game is, the more complicated it is to add additional features.Diablo is a 2D game (it has 3D graphics but it is 2 dimensional), so horseback combat is vastly easier to implement.
 There are additional layers of complexity on top of that.
 
 Your point is pretty much completely invalid.
 It is nothing to do with laziness.
I understand your point now. It's more complicated in a 3D game. But Skyrim devs still slacked a little. It's a flaw that I can't kill children, can't use spears, and can't fight on horseback.
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:14 pm | 
					
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			| Metal Chao 
					Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 6:04 pm
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimThose are not in any way flaws.You cannot kill children because if you did then many countries would ban the release of the game outright and you can't ride horses and fight at the same time because it's a pointless feature not worthy of dev time.
 This is nothing to do with laziness.
 
 Game production schedules are extremely tight, I know this because I am halfway towards a degree in the subject you are talking about with no knowledge at all. Pointless features like Horse Combat are luxuries and not including them is in no way a slight on the publisher.
 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:16 pm | 
					
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimI understand the controversy about the kids thing. But I think it wouldn't be an issue unless the devs stated they added children killing. I think it's a flaw that if a kid is a witness of something, I still have a massive bounty.
 Yeah horseback fighting has been a bit of a luxury. I'll just wait for mods.
 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:19 pm | 
					
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			| Metal Chao 
					Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 6:04 pm
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimSo you think people just wouldn't notice it was possible to kill kids?Right.
 
 It is indeed a bit of an oversight that they can report crimes and I wouldn't have put that in myself, but implying that if the devs had made child killing possible but not told anyone nobody would notice is frankly ludicrous.
 
 
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			| Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:34 pm | 
					
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			| Sothe 
					Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am
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   |   Re: The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimI think there should just be no kids.It's not as realistic, but at least I won't have a bounty.
 
 
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