Saw your edit, like i said, i'm a eye for an eye, its justice at its most basic level. Thats just where me and you differ.

What do you want me to say? I'm not dismissing your opinion! its got a hell of a lot of sense to it! and a better half of me says you. are. right. But then again, i see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man and i think to myself, yeah, he got what he deserved.200 people jumped to their deaths. they jumped. do you not know how many people that is? i don't even want to think about it anymore. Disgusting.

Oh yeah, it doesn't matter to me that it happened to america, like i said, i don't care about all that, its just the waste of life that pisses me off, if it happened to india, i'd still be pissed, don't think that i'm protecting america like a guard dog for the ♥♥♥♥ of it.

On topic, i'm glad he's dead. he got exactly what he deserved and he should have died in the most painful way possible.

And the reason why america is so happy is because the "man" who killed thousands of innocent people finally got brought to justice. the familes of those who got killed can now finally put the subject to sleep. cheers!

Wait, so you're saying we shouldn't have gone after bin Laden? After finally finding him, wasting all those resources, we should've just done nothing? What the hell.

I mean, again, I'm not saying we're in the right what with the whole Zerg rush to the Middle East, but can't both sides be doing wrong? Just because we've ♥♥♥♥ up, doesn't mean that Osama bin Laden is some pinnacle of goodness whose death should be mourned because he struck back against his oppressors. The US making mistakes doesn't clear bin Laden's name in any way, he still did something horrible. Hell, if we tried him here he'd get the death sentence, anyway.

EDIT: After reading those links, okay, the US ♥♥♥♥ up really bad. But again, that doesn't mean countries should just let terrorists bomb them, then give them a gift bag for it.

1. agreed.

2. Yep, i'm sorry i find the deaths of those people emotion, maybe i'm just a soppy pussy who needs to man up eh?

3. Because those 200/3000 people aren't responsible for the ♥♥♥♥ ups of a nation they live in.

Its the people in power that make those decisions, i don't have any problems with them being punished before you ask. - thats my main point.

I don't see why I'm being put into some sort of idiot pool because I'm glad someone who was actively attempting to kill people in the US is now dead. How does that make me a narrow minded jingoistic zealot?

2. too painful... i'm just trying to keep it at a basic level, its the easiest way for me to deal with stuff like this.

3. because i'm keeping it to the 9/11 attacks as this is what i believe he should be brought to justice for.

4. i'm too tired to understand this right now... i'll come back in the morning and read it again.

5. i believe there is such a thing as looking too deeply into a situation, this may the case here.

Nope, that's putting words in my mouth. I'm glad he's dead because he was killing people I associate with. I would have been happy if he'd been killed by any group of people.

The people who have died as a result of our senseless occupation had nothing to do with any of the retarded politics that led to us being where we are. They didn't deserve to die because they were killed by a nation so overly consumed with greed and lust for power that it has become completely unsustainable on a local, much less a global, scale.

And really, did you miss this link entirely, or are you just incredibly thick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_fo ... 11_attacks

9/11 was not a random act of violence. It was a reactionary effect to American actions. Hell, you could even call 9/11 a retaliatory attack, though that may be going too far. Yet we often portray al Qaeda and Osama as being the great aggressors of this so-called "war on terror".

Tomaster: Just save us all some time by reading pages 9 through 11 of this thread but changing every instance of "Beta_Krogoth" to "Tomaster".

EDIT: Also, don't get me wrong, 9/11 is a tragedy and the people who died as a result of it are not at all responsible for their country's actions which led to their deaths. But they're not special or unique in any way. This kind of senseless violence occurs all over the world on a daily basis and on a larger scale. Americans love making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to 9/11. They could have cared less if it happened to someone else. The point I'm trying to make is that the reason we have so much of this idiotic violence is because many people share Beta and Tom's view: "They killed us, so we'll kill them." God knows how or when this cycle started, on some dusty plain thousands of years ago with two tribes of cavemen arguing over a stick or something, but nobody is taking the initiative to end it, they're just inevitably perpetuating it by trying to be the last guys to get a kill in. THAT'S my problem with this whole "YAY OSAMA IS DEAD" point of view. Not the fact that you grieved for your innocent countrymen slain for reasons that they were not responsible for, or the fact that Osama wasn't exactly the most diplomatic individual, but because that attitude is sickening and most people think of it as being natural.

And then you realize the world isn't fair.