Now... I think the Janks celebration over this is quite ironic.

When 9/11 happend many islamic countries celebrated on the streets, I was angry at them for that, bad taste.
And the Janks was like:

Now when Osama is dead many americans are celebrating on the streets...

To think that people all over the world are so alike!


(not a jank)

It's Yankee.

9/11 was a terrorist act that killed a lot of people, the killing of osama can hardly be compared to it.

However the principle is the same, since they were both celebrating death. They are quite comparable situations.

If I stab my neighbour to death, is that the same as if a Canadian police officer shoots and kills a hostile hostage-taker?
Obviously not. My neighbour is (comparatively) innocent, while the hostage-taker is a clear and immediate danger to friendly human life.
The situations are only comparable on a very abstract level, where the value of human life is ignored.

1. I never said I disagree. Mass murderers deserve death. Imprisonment is more practical for normal murders.
2. Fair point BUT nobody is really sure if it was Osama who was responsible.
3. That doesn't change anything.



1. Yes, they still are.
3. No, that certainly isn't.
4. Yeah. I would never kill the person I hate the most. But if that person is hated by everyone and has done horrible things and deserves to be dead, I would do it.
5. Everyone should respect human rights, but Bin Laden violated them. It's absurd to take human rights into account when choosing a punishment for a mass murderer who violated them and killed many people.

Gee, that's nice and specific.

Osama should not have been killed. 9/11 should never have happened. Oil companies shouldn't be so greedy. We're all acting like clowns just like we always have.

This.

Edit: I'm quite sure that Osama hasn't actually planned/done anything for the past decade after 9/11. Killing him was symbolic, mostly the, if your a terrorist, we WILL find you. He wasn't even much of a leader at that point.

The purpose of jail should not be punishment but rehabilitation. Negative reinforcement has been shown very rigorously to fail to cause lasting behavioral changes, whereas random positive reinforcement to have a much higher chance of success.

As far as the death sentence, I see no purpose in debating the point much further than the following. Criminals deemed too dangerous to keep incarcerated, as in the case where their escape would be extremely detrimental, may be killed humanely in order to avoid such a possibility. I lean somewhat on the side of utilitarianism which may be influencing this, but in my opinion that is an extremely fair judgement. Their human right to live can be superseded by many more lives who would be threatened by the captive's existence, though the possibility that the captive will cause more deaths must be high and they must be unable to be rehabilitated.

I remember reading about this. These results are widely misused to argue against jail. This has no bearing on the effectiveness of the threat of an aversive stimulus. In other words, going to jail isn't going to operantly condition you to not commit crimes, but the idea of going to jail might prevent you from doing anything.
Also, this assumes 100% normal psychology. A majority of jailed criminals are psychopaths/sociopaths on who reinforcement patterns are not conclusively studied.


At very least, he was constantly making speeches inciting others to terrorism, which falls under "doing something" in my book.

Point noted on the mental illness bit, but this further emphasizes the need for rehabilitation rather than sticking them in a jail for years. Besides, this was not my point, merely a footnote on where I would put the death row/prison line.

On the preventative bit, I was not able to find articles on how effective a threat was when the stimuli was never administered first (IE, threatening jail without having been in jail before), but I do ask this: If the threat of jail is supposed to keep criminals out, and threat avoidance behavior is strong, then why do we have repeat inmates who end up in jail multiple times?

I'd blame the impulsive attributes of psychopathy and sociopathy, personally.

But yeah, I do realize what you were trying to say. I was just pointing out why that's not exactly what those studies mean.

Also, for anyone feeling very correct, every time I say psychopathy or sociopathy, just fill in antisocial personality disorder.

On topic, i'm glad he's dead. he got exactly what he deserved and he should have died in the most painful way possible.

And the reason why america is so happy is because the "man" who killed thousands of innocent people finally got brought to justice. the familes of those who got killed can now finally put the subject to sleep. cheers!

Yeah because America has never killed any innocent people

also he totally killed them because he's insane and enjoys death, it's not like he was trying to further a legitimate cause no sir

how do we know this? because America = good and Osama = bad

COMMON SENSE

Well it's not like I punted the rabbit over a fence. I just kind of made a funny face at it.