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			| pseudorastafari 
					Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:53 am
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   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenIf you do not care, there may come a point where you have a chance to do something that will help one of these people. But, because you have not cared for all your life, you may find yourself deciding not to help. I'm not saying you WILL. i'm saying that kind of mentality might lead to that.
 
 If the government has passed a bill, doesn't that mean that people are listening? If people are listening, and contributing, then doesn't that mean that somewhere along the line somebody is making a difference?
 
 These people deserve a better life. If you say that there is nothing you can do about it, and don't do anything about it, than how will they find that better life.
 
 
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			| Roast Veg Data Realms Elite 
					Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 8:27 pm
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   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenThe same way we did. Globalisation and the development of the middle class. 
 
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			| 411570N3 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am
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 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenDarkdoom wrote: Thank you Tom! You are a perfect example of a human being!So basically, just because you do not think it will ever affect you, it does not matter.
Psychologically speaking, you probably care about most of the people you are trying to help on an intellectual, rather than fully empathetic level. Dauss wrote: There really isn't much people or persons can do to aid a war-torn foreign nation. Go talk up a pharmaceutical company and try and convince them to lower the insane profits they make off HIV medication if you're so desperate to help Africa.Profit per unit does not take into account the immense amount of money that it took to develop each drug, let alone the countless number of failed projects aimed at the same result. Tomaster wrote: Nothing you can do, short of going over there and actually helping, will make those children's lives any better.You have made an absolute statement. I know people who have personally seen the positive effects of charities. FoiL wrote: The non-profit bit usually just states that the employees them-selfs don't gain any money. That may, or may not be the case.In Australia, at least, it just means it isn't run for profit. The workers still get paid. Darkdoom wrote: Yea cause 3 young filmmakers from California are such sleazy corporate CEOs.This isn't a great argument, honestly. Though assuming they are skimming funds because of pre-existing conceptions of charities isn't a great argument either.
 
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			| caekdaemon Data Realms Elite 
					Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:00 pm
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 Location: Hell.
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenRoast Veg wrote: The same way we did. Globalisation and the development of the middle class.This. They are basically the same way we was in the medieval age, a war torn hell hole.
 
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			| 411570N3 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am
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 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenThat doesn't mean we can't accelerate the process by other means and subsequently reduce the amount of suffering that is experienced. 
 
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			| Darkdoom 
					Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:06 pm
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   |   Re: Invisible Childrenpseudorastafari wrote: These people deserve a better life. If you say that there is nothing you can do about it, and don't do anything about it, than how will they find that better life.This. Every human being deserves a good life, or at least one that isn't terrible. 411570N3 wrote: That doesn't mean we can't accelerate the process by other means and subsequently reduce the amount of suffering that is experienced.Also this. And once again even IF the people themselves do not get ALL of the money sent, at least they get a bit... And every bit helps.
 
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			| 411570N3 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am
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 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenDarkdoom wrote: Also this. And once again even IF the people themselves do not get ALL of the money sent, at least they get a bit... And every bit helps.That's irrelevant. The current point is that money sent isn't applied effectively or is applied into the infrastructure the perpetuates the current situation. In that case, the money sent would be counter-productive. The extent to which this occurs, which would be terribly useful information, has not been researched by anyone participating yet though, apparently.
 
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			| pseudorastafari 
					Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:53 am
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   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenI agree with 411570N3 - this discussion is kind of pointless until we figure out the amount of corruption going on. But I would like to point this out about globalization: [url]http://oro.open.ac.uk/10405/1/Globalisation_inequality_and_climate_change_final_draft.pdf [/url]  Roast Veg wrote: The same way we did. Globalisation and the development of the middle class.If we don't act, these people will fight for a few years until some dictator manages to create a stable government. Then it will take a decade or two until the people manage to wrest power from his grasp and - hopefully - create a stable democracy. This is a very basic, sped-up version of medieval europe. Also, these people have the "benefits" of modern weaponry. This is what could happen, and it seems callous to allow it to take place although we have it in our power to stop it.
 
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			| Darkdoom 
					Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:06 pm
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   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenKind of offtopic but why does everyone want democracy?I'm just saying. Since we [Americans] do not use democracy. we have a democratic republic.
 
 
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			| Lizardheim DRL Developer 
					Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am
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 Location: Russia
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenNo you select your leaders by having them box against a kangaroo, not by votes. 
 
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			| Tomaster DRLGrump 
					Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:26 am
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 Location: Jerking off in a corner over by the OT sub-forum
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenTo most people, Democracy means Democratic Republic. During the Cold War, we said we were trying to spread democracy, not Democratic Rupublic(ansy?). It sounds catchier. 
 
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			| Darkdoom 
					Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:06 pm
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   |   Re: Invisible Children@lizardI wish!
 
 @tom
 Yea that makes sense. I just like to call it a democratic republic. Maybe I'm just weird.
 
 
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			| 411570N3 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am
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 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
   |   Re: Invisible Childrenpseudorastafari wrote: I agree with 411570N3I haven't posted terribly strongly for either of the sides of the current argument. What are you agreeing with, exactly? Also, feel free to call me Allstone.
 
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			| Contrary 
					Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:50 pm
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   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenI don't think darkdoom fully understands his own platform, let alone yours. 
 
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			| Jack The Llama Commando 
					Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 pm
 Posts: 620
 Location: CONTRACTIONS I DONT NEED CONTRACTIONS
   |   Re: Invisible ChildrenThis sounds metal, I don't see any problems. 
 
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