Why don't we just limit !give to admins and whitty? That way, it's available if we need it (ie greifers and such) but regulars couldn't use it. being a builder would mean you got !tp and tnt such, and perhaps advbuilders get !summon and !kick and fire, op's would get !rank and !ban and !banip and any dangerous other materials, and admins would get everything including adminium access?

I dunno, That's how mine is set up. I just think that !give will become much more crucial once damage is in, becoming as important as !ban and such.

That sounds like a horrible idea. How about, if you don't want to use !give, then don't use it, and go play survival with all the other by-the-bookers.
If you just want to build ♥♥♥♥, like me, then use !give all you want.

Or we could give you a higher rank...

Oh well, seems like whitty isn't going to change it anyways. PVP will still be awesome though.

That would just be an unnecessary fix for a silly problem.
But yeah, change is not the name of the game.

I just think it'd be cool if whitty made different ranks for pvp/no!give people, like regular in the place of builder, then made advbuilders just called builders and give them !give and everythign else. Obvously not going to happen, It would just be intersting if pvp/non pvp had different name colors.

EDIT: On that note, does anyone know if the pvp tag is serverwide or player specific? Will MCAdmin be updated to allow that tag to be applied to specific ranks? IE admins are pvp proof or something?

What PVP tag? Everyone is gonna have health again, like it or not.

I made a new rank (called "pvp"), it's rank level is 0. That means no !give, etc.

Obviously, Notch just mentioned that servers can have or not have the Pvp tag, so one would assume that means player damage doesn't affect other players specifically. I was wondering if anyone knew if it was serverside or player specific, so you could turn it off or on via mcadmin or something.

I vaguely remember something like this being said months ago. Not anytime recent.
If it were a server variable, which it sounds like it is, then it would probably be serverwide, and also something McAdmin would struggle to deal with. Hey0 on the other hand...

Yeah, we came to that conclusion.

Pretty sure that 'pvp flag' applies to the whole level, not just individual people...
Just sayin'.

SMP health update is LIVE.

I think SMP Health calls for a brand new world, and !give being only whitty and Duh.
I logged in. My face exploded. Creepers, man.

I'd only use !give to build moar spleef arenas which now can kill people.

Once again, most retarded idea ever. The !give users can pvp with the !give users, and the non users can pvp with the non users. Jesus, there is no need to change a system that is completely opt-in.