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 Roll To Dodge 2 (RtD2) - Finished 
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Post Re: (srs) Roll To Dodge 2 - MULTIPLE HOSTILES
He isn't saying 'Can I have both, then combine them through sheer force to make an omniknife?' He's saying, "Yomanticore, could I have as part of my inventory a WASP Ballistic Knife?" Ya know, that he had BEFORE he was in the jungle and he didn't make while there with no tools etcetera etcetera bleargh.


Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:24 pm
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A WASP ballistic knife is by, definition, paradoxical. Ballistic knives have springs in their hilts that launch the blade forward. The WASP has a canister of compressed gas in its hilt. That's problem number 1- how do you put two contradicting systems in one hilt? Problem number 2, how the hell can you fire a blade that has a canister of compressed gas on the inside? WASP knives are complicated pieces of equipment- I've looked pretty thoroughly on the website of the company that makes it. You cannot fit the proper equipment needed for gas expansion inside the blade of a knife, nor can you guarantee its stability when used in conjunction with a ballistic launch system. Problem number 3, ballistic knives have pretty aerodynamic blades- even if you could theoretically figure out how to shove a second hilt within the first ballistic hilt that would hold the gas, there is no way that it would really be able to *fly*. It would most likely flop out of the hilt in a drunken trajectory and veer off to the side before falling after traveling 5 feet.

I could maybe see the technology being applied in an actual firearm, and a big one at that. Maybe some kind of flechette with a tandem function that makes it release the gas on contact? It would be like explosive ammunition, only with supercold gas instead of incendiary rounds. But a cryorifle has its own problems and issues.

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Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:36 pm
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Uh, it doesn't have to function exactly like it would in real life - case in point, BJJ's armor deflected a RAILGUN shell, whereas in real life it would've went through as if it were butter. And it doesn't have to use the same mechanisms as the knife, but it could still find a way to achieve the same result, I'm sure.


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>BJJ's armor deflected a RAILGUN shell, whereas in real life it would've went through as if it were butter

There are armors that exist which can shrug off tank rounds without much trouble. Man-portable? Hell, no, but BJJ was special to begin with. Also; gameplay considerations. It's not ultra-realistic, there are balancing issues to consider. It's all about the roll.

>but it could still find a way to achieve the same result, I'm sure.

No. There is no way that a knife would be able to do this. There is no way to combine a ballistic and WASP knife. At all. You could definitely apply the same theorem to a firearm and achieve the same result, but a knife that fires a tinier knife that releases a rapidly expanding cloud of freezing gas when it hits a target? No, no, no. Just stop.


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Seriously Ocia, just stop trying. You aren't gonna do yourself any favors by arguing with the DM.


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Yeah, I know...I just don't understand why things can go from being completely unrealistic when they affect the plot - not that I mind - and then someone can't have a tad-unrealistic knife.
EDIT: And a goddamn alien robot was accepted as a character, but we can't have a WASP Ballistic Knife.


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We aren't talking realism constraints, this is about reasonability constraints. I think its reasonable that a railgun and components could, in the near-ish future, be fitted into something the size of a large and bulky sniper rifle. Or that, given the right angle and conditions, a shot from said railgun could be deflected. What you're asking is to cram two knives worth of simple, not very improvable or miniaturizable technology in the space of one. Just not gonna happen.

EDIT: The alien robot is retarded and I don't think ANY of us are taking it seriously.


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I give up, I guess I just have a different view on the matter than you two and I'm a tad more lenient when it comes to the 'serious' part.
EDIT: Yeah, but he's gonna eventually be in the game, so while I'm sure the first ten rolls of him being in-game are going to be us talking about that retardedness through our actions, he's still eventually going to be a physical thing in the game. Also, why not just have a ballistic mono-filament knife or something stupid like that so that it just rapes whatever it touches? We've already got mono-filament knuckles, why not a mono-filament ballistic knife?


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Ocia wrote:
I just don't understand why things can go from being completely unrealistic when they affect the plot


Oh my ♥♥♥♥ god I am going to smash your eyes out of your head with a sack of oranges.

The reason we have guys with superpowers is this is a fictional, fantasy-styled game. Set in modern times, yes, but my point being that it's realistic in its own universe. The knife is just something that really isn't possible, with current technology or even foreseeable technology.

It's like a scene from The Lord Of The Rings or something with everything going as it should- medieval styled magic-influenced physical combat- when all of a sudden an orc comes down on a jetpack with dual-wielded lightsabers. That's unrealistic in relation to the storyline's realism continuity, even though orcs in general may be unrealistic when compared to real life.

EDIT: And what the ♥♥♥♥ is this mono-filament thing? The only thing I can find out about it is that monofilaments are used in fishing lines, and sometimes in jewelry to create illusions.

A diamond-edged knife would be more realistic than a "mono-filament" knife. They're not as expensive as they sound, either- not like the whole knife is made out of diamond.


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I should have just picked a lancer as my primary weapon. Lined with god damned diamonds on the chain.


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I dunno, in science fiction it's supposed to be able to cut anything - I was kidding.


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^OK... odd, because I couldn't find any references to it. Usually you can find references to fictional weapons on the intrawebz. Maybe since it's a real, trivial item?

>I should have just picked a lancer as my primary weapon. Lined with god damned diamonds on the chain.

Uh. I could see that working, yeah. But you would have to have fuel for the chainsaw, obviously, and it probably wouldn't work as well as it does in GoW, and it would probably be a lot more awkward, but it could happen.


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Ociamaru, don't you dare start on the Lancer, either.


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Update (Version 1.1) You can now have an F14-A Tomcat as your secondary weapon.
obviously not really hurfdurf


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Alright, enoughs enough. I was lenient for the alien to be accepted, but I thought I could figure out some reason to make it fit in the story. RDM said at the beginning that this RTD would be semi-realistic, not super realistic, and its a few years past 'modern time'. Probably around 2015 -2020.

Sakiskid, I will edit you sheet a little more, but it needed to be balanced as everyone else only has 3 weapons, and you have/had 5.

Me and RDM will decide, with maybe some input from Hyper, what goes on in this game. You can DISCUSS with us your OPINIONS on things, but we will have the final say.

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We run this game for free, for you. We are the bosses. You listen to us. We are reasonable and respecting, but everyone has a breaking point.

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Roll should be up in about an hour and a bit. I'm a little pissed now, so someone might die. Blame the grenade-launcher guy. (and the dice)


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