Leon, you claim to be rational and reasonable, and yet you honestly just said "backlash from the Islamic community".

Is there a "backlash" from the Christian community every time someone burns a bible? Is there a "backlash" from the American community every time someone burns a flag?

No, and the fact that you actually just put "backlash" and "islamic community" together says that, frankly, you're just as biased as anyone else, though I will give you credit for doing it unintentionally and without malice.

Also, do you really think one batshit insane man who wants to burn a religion's holy book is going to put the world any closer to international conflict?

That is thinking?

Anyway, imo it'll get about as much response as WBC. People will counter-protest, have a laugh, and then leave while [insert extreme christian group] still sits there doing its original protest.

WBC is more like the funny guy you laugh at who threatens you every time you cross the street by now.
Edit: That was a horribly constructed sentence, but you get the picture.

Of course I'm biased. There isn't any possible way I'm not.

And about the backlash statement I made, I was speculating whether there might be a backlash. You do know what that means right? Because I get a feeling were not talking under the same meaning.

And things are as simple as "protest, counter-protest". This is beginning to or has already extended beyond the point of just some people protesting.

Unexpected things can happen, depending what happens from this point forward. Its just like WWI. No one expected the war to drag in so many other countries and no one expected the US join in until a little push we like to call the sinking of the Lusitania. No one expected the US to join WWII until Pearl Harbor.

Terry Fisher is either going to stick to his sales pitch or he's going to have to bite the bullet.

I just don't think this is going to blow over.

To reiterate Tomaster: You honestly believe that one batshit insane person without any power behind him or any leadership position is going to cause a breakdown in diplomatic relationships?

You are either incredibly naive or just think you're far too smart for your own good.

Before you go and say Hitler at me, I'd just like to point out that Hitler had both charisma, a demoralized populace/nation to take advantage of, a unique point in history vulnerable to exploitation (a war-weary world), and a host of other coincidental boons.

This is one guy being crazy and protesting. He's not even causing loss of life, the true mark of a radical protest. Matter of fact, I almost give the guy credit for choosing to respond (with incredibly warped logic, mind) to a very-real attack that caused over 3000 deaths by burning books.

On the scale of things, he's almost being rational.

Oh hey, a hubbub about religion, right at the end of Ramadan.

While it is lawfully legal for this Tom dude to burn a Qur'an, him really doing it would offend other people's rights to religion. And if this is about that Islamic Center near ground zero, why not just make a multireligion center in ground zero? I mean, not just Islamic, but also other religions too.

This really proves it that the extremists are always no good, be they of any religion or political tendency. Let's not follow their example and instead try to make a religiously-tolerant society, be they believe or not. And I see that DRLFF is a good example of this, so let's tone down the flames I see in the past few replies.

And, as is customary for us Moslems at the end of Ramadan, I offer my heartfelt apologies if I have ever offended you guys in any way in this forum or otherwise.
Happy Idul Fitri/ Eid Ul-fitr, and may there be peace on earth!

WWII was joined by the US before Pearl Harbor, in an economical sense, right? I mean, they were already helping the Allies by cutting their shipments to Japan, you know?
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Leon, I think this has blown out of proportion, and you aren't helping.

It's some idiot burning books because he thinks it matters.
Unfortunately lots of other (and in some cases more important) people are overreacting and causing it to become some big deal.

It's all drama IMO.

WWII was pearl harbor, WWI was the Lusitania.

Wow, I totally misread that. Damn late night zombie brain, trying to read and shirk homework at the same time... Anyways, my point is uncontested still, yes?

Well he is in a good position to influence. He has a good setting; the country is in a point where the things are so complicated, the country can be easily influenced. You have a confused populace, most calling for isolation and/or narrowing the "other" to one enemy: Islam. The problem for him is that he's already considered crazy anyways because he only has, at most, 50 followers, the world considered him crazy. So he really won't be the one to go over the brink. But he is one step towards tipping the balance. I never said he was going to be the one point in throwing everything down the drain. I said he was leading towards major conflict. Re-read my posts.

Also, did you not see the statements by Nato, UN, President Obama, Interpol about violence breaking out and possible conflict between people and the military and the possible boost in enemy troop strengths. What the military and Obama is saying is that this event isolates the US' work on International Relations and creates a much bigger pool of recruitment for the enemy (Terrorists, etc...).

Although it might seem crazy, one person like him can influence events. Maybe not tip everyone into WWIII but can lead towards bigger conflict. It is you who is naive if you think someone like him can't do anything.



I agree that it does have drama but drama is a platform for presenting ideas and discussing issues.

Also, Perception is an important tool in causing things to become worse. This event has become a major international issue with Interpol involved. People are seeing this all over the news. People are perceiving this to be a major deal and although you don't think it is, a large portion of the US population does think so. This might just be as you said, something not as significant as people are making it out to be, but people perceive it differently, something big and so although in reality it might not be a big deal, people made it a big deal and it is. So I agree with you that its perceived as something major but that MAKES it major. It makes it something important. Although I disagree with you a bit because the millions of members of Islam didn't make it out as something big from something small. Disrespect towards the Koran is absolute. It isn't something small.



They weren't cutting off their supplies. They were threatening to do something similar to a UN Sanction, but Japan solved that easily by invading Indo-China and getting the fuel and supplies, bypassing that problem easily. The US was more of supplying Great Britain with supplies (tanks, guns, etc...).

I won't even begin to point out the number of things you're wrong about.
I'd prefer to let grif do it, since it will be both hilarious and scathing.

NEWEST UPDATES, COMING TO YOU FROM CRAZY CENTRAL: Apparently the guys who "agreed" to move their "mosque" are all "jk bro" right now and Terry Jones is taking the next 24 hours to reconsider his original plan to burn Korans, so it's no longer a 100% certainty that we'll avoid a shitstorm.

Damn, really? Right when I refresh page, man. Do you have a citation?