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				 whitty 
				
				
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						That's retarded. There's no way this is going to end well.
 
  Why are they even doing this? If it's bandwidth issues, then the ISP should step it up and get themselves some more, or risk losing customers. 
					
  
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				 dragonxp 
				
				
					 Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 3032 Location: Somewhere in the universe
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Worst case scenario: Internet is destroyed to inhibit piracy. Millions of companies and people go bankrupt.
  Best case scenario: this doesn't get passed sounds pretty darn good to me.
  Also, who in the world haven't downloaded a pirated song, seriously, if this goes through and they search everyone's ipod's most of the population in developed countries will be a criminal.
  Edit: and yes i did read that border guards will not be searching every personnel's electronic devices, however anyone who does get searched will most likely have pirtaed material in said electronic device. 
					
  
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				 alphagamer774 
				
				
					 Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:06 am Posts: 1294 Location: Comox, BC, Canada
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Like it's been said many times before, if they want, they WILL find something you've done wrong. Or they'll do a mechanical inspection of your vehicle, take it apart peice by peice, then bid you and your pile of parts a good day. The other side being that obviously not many people actually care that you've got a couple of songs on your ipod, so it's not like the cops are going to go all SS and crackdown on piracy   .  
					
  
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				 maart3n 
				
				
					 Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out?
  But who will enforce these laws? Will there be a special world wide squad to bust internet pirates? 
					
  
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				 Disst 
				
				
					 Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:47 am Posts: 1182
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						The ISPs will. 
					
  
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				 Lizardheim 
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					 Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						THIS IS THE CYBERPOLICE! EVERYBODY ONE THE GROUND! NOW!
  YOU ARE IN POSESSION OF STOLEN GOODS. YOU WILL COMPLY OR WE WILL BE FORCED TO USE BRUTE FORCE. 
					
  
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				 alphagamer774 
				
				
					 Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:06 am Posts: 1294 Location: Comox, BC, Canada
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						If that ever happens, Lizard's getting my inheritance. 
					
  
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				 FoiL 
				
				
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						maart3n wrote: This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out? It'll just a matter of time before your country adopts the law, period. Or, if they're bitchy, enough the ISP's will gain control and monitor the traffic by them selfs.  
					
  
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				 maart3n 
				
				
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						FoiL wrote: maart3n wrote: This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out? It'll just a matter of time before your country adopts the law, period. Or, if they're bitchy, enough the ISP's will gain control and monitor the traffic by them selfs. Actually, we just had a lawsuit of ISP vs government, because the government wanted to ban TPB. ISP's were against this, lawsuit won by the good guys. So I'm not sure if they will switch opinions all of a sudden. Great post lizard. Pop-up windows fines for minor offences?  
					
  
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				 Duh102 
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					 Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 am Posts: 7096 Location: b8bbd5
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Talking with a few of my friends, we've agreed that it's going to be damn hard to enforce, so even if it passes, likely it'll fall flat on it's face within a few years (if it passes in current form even, it might get so watered down as to be useless anyway). 
					
  
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				 Jack The Llama Commando 
				
				
					 Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 pm Posts: 620 Location: CONTRACTIONS I DONT NEED CONTRACTIONS
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Duh102 wrote: Talking with a few of my friends, we've agreed that it's going to be damn hard to enforce, so even if it passes, likely it'll fall flat on it's face within a few years (if it passes in current form even, it might get so watered down as to be useless anyway). No. ISPs are obligated, and legally responsible for any illegal things you do. This means, they would much rather drop your service and hand you over, than keep your 15 or however many dollars a month for service. Airport security is already zealous about digging through bags, it isn't that much of a hassle to dig through mp3 players and otherwise to find 'illegal' media.  
					
  
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				 Duh102 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Yes, they will be obligated to, and people will fall, but the sheer amount of illegal traffic will make policing each and every case a nightmare. Not to mention, in the end there would be a good 50% or more of the internet-using populace banned from the internet, and that's quite a lot of money lost. 
					
  
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				 Jack The Llama Commando 
				
				
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						If this wasn't viable on a mass scale, they wouldn't be doing it. 
					
  
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				 Grif 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						They can just apply brutal packet inspection/filtering procedures that end up killing some illegal traffic, just as much as it'll kill some legal traffic.
  ISPs can do whatever they want; they are a definitive monopoly.
  Hell, the whole deal with net neutrality is literally a whitelisted internet. What the ♥♥♥♥'s the point?! 
					
  
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				 Kallemort 
				
				
					 Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:55 pm Posts: 948
				 
				 
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				  Re: Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement  
					
						Hey uh people this was voted down almost unanimously in EU in March http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201003 ... 8499.shtmlEDIT Although I'd love to see airport security breaking through AES256  
					
  
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