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 Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement 
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That's retarded. There's no way this is going to end well.


Why are they even doing this?
If it's bandwidth issues, then the ISP should step it up and get themselves some more, or risk losing customers.


Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:59 pm
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Worst case scenario: Internet is destroyed to inhibit piracy. Millions of companies and people go bankrupt.

Best case scenario: this doesn't get passed sounds pretty darn good to me.

Also, who in the world haven't downloaded a pirated song, seriously, if this goes through and they search everyone's ipod's most of the population in developed countries will be a criminal.

Edit: and yes i did read that border guards will not be searching every personnel's electronic devices, however anyone who does get searched will most likely have pirtaed material in said electronic device.


Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:29 am
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Like it's been said many times before, if they want, they WILL find something you've done wrong.

Or they'll do a mechanical inspection of your vehicle, take it apart peice by peice, then bid you and your pile of parts a good day.

The other side being that obviously not many people actually care that you've got a couple of songs on your ipod, so it's not like the cops are going to go all SS and crackdown on piracy :P.


Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:03 am
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This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out?

But who will enforce these laws? Will there be a special world wide squad to bust internet pirates?


Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:51 pm
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The ISPs will.


Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:55 pm
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THIS IS THE CYBERPOLICE!
EVERYBODY ONE THE GROUND! NOW!

YOU ARE IN POSESSION OF STOLEN GOODS.
YOU WILL COMPLY OR WE WILL BE FORCED TO USE BRUTE FORCE.


Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:17 pm
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If that ever happens, Lizard's getting my inheritance.


Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:42 am
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maart3n wrote:
This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out?


It'll just a matter of time before your country adopts the law, period. Or, if they're bitchy, enough the ISP's will gain control and monitor the traffic by them selfs.


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FoiL wrote:
maart3n wrote:
This is just something that pops up in my head, but it is totally legal to pirate music and films where I live.(Holland) And I'm pretty sure that's in Europe, how the hell will that work out?


It'll just a matter of time before your country adopts the law, period. Or, if they're bitchy, enough the ISP's will gain control and monitor the traffic by them selfs.

Actually, we just had a lawsuit of ISP vs government, because the government wanted to ban TPB. ISP's were against this, lawsuit won by the good guys. So I'm not sure if they will switch opinions all of a sudden.

Great post lizard. Pop-up windows fines for minor offences?


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Talking with a few of my friends, we've agreed that it's going to be damn hard to enforce, so even if it passes, likely it'll fall flat on it's face within a few years (if it passes in current form even, it might get so watered down as to be useless anyway).


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Duh102 wrote:
Talking with a few of my friends, we've agreed that it's going to be damn hard to enforce, so even if it passes, likely it'll fall flat on it's face within a few years (if it passes in current form even, it might get so watered down as to be useless anyway).

No.
ISPs are obligated, and legally responsible for any illegal things you do. This means, they would much rather drop your service and hand you over, than keep your 15 or however many dollars a month for service.
Airport security is already zealous about digging through bags, it isn't that much of a hassle to dig through mp3 players and otherwise to find 'illegal' media.


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Yes, they will be obligated to, and people will fall, but the sheer amount of illegal traffic will make policing each and every case a nightmare. Not to mention, in the end there would be a good 50% or more of the internet-using populace banned from the internet, and that's quite a lot of money lost.


Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:24 am
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If this wasn't viable on a mass scale, they wouldn't be doing it.


Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:29 am
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They can just apply brutal packet inspection/filtering procedures that end up killing some illegal traffic, just as much as it'll kill some legal traffic.

ISPs can do whatever they want; they are a definitive monopoly.

Hell, the whole deal with net neutrality is literally a whitelisted internet. What the ♥♥♥♥'s the point?!


Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:07 am
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Hey uh people this was voted down almost unanimously in EU in March

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201003 ... 8499.shtml

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Although I'd love to see airport security breaking through AES256


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