So what you are saying, that Super Mario is actually about saving the princess rather than say... platforming gameplay fun?
I think Marios princess could as well be a dude and the gold in CC could as well be funds earned by territory control and no sane person would care.

Again an ENTIRELY inapplicable analogy. Gold digging is part of the game play. The princess is an abstract goal. They are completely incomparable.

I get the impression that if CC happened to have the territory control funding system from the get go and someone tried to sell you on the idea that from now on players need to start digging up scattered yellow pixels from the dirt... you'd not even take him seriously. What I'm trying to say is this: are you sure you aren't just defending the gold digging stuff because you already got used to it?

Are you just attacking it because you aren't use to it?

I feel that if people want to dig up wealth they can play Dig Dug. Digging up gold is only semi-"fun" because it adds another tactical dimension to CC. That's the only good reason why it is there in the first place.
But replacing the gold by steady funds from control points would replace the tactical importance of gold through another tactical dimension that involves engaging combat. Which is the reason why you have fun playing this game in the frst place.

"Semi fun" is again, just your opinion. It doesn't represent anyone but yourself. People do find it fun.

People won't stand in line for digging stuff up, what they want from CC is to blow ♥♥♥♥ up and scatter it all across the landscape while bashing their opponent.

Well in Mario people like running, why can't they also jump?


Exactly. Most of the gameplay changes suggested don't even require any restructuring of the game or the engine. Why not just try it out and see how fun it is to play? You could even add an early version of it as a separate gameplay mode along with the fortress style gameplay in your next build to test how well it potentially plays if done properly.

Why don't you try it out and see how fun it is to play, by idk, MAKING IT. Ya'know, instead of bullying the forum into magically restructuring CC for you with bad analogies and thinly veiled insults.



Well you are spot on, quite possible that I am placing too much weight behind my opinion.
And maybe you place way too much weight on the opinion of this forum as well.

No. Your opinion has the weight of one person who has played CC for what I am now guessing to be an upwards of 30 seconds. The weight of the forum is most of the fanbase and all of it's most loyal devotees. I think that deserves a little bit more consideration than you.

Think about it, radical fanboys crawling a forum that deals with an early build of a game are just one thin slice in a possibly really big piechart of potential players. So naturally what you consider to be the best possible gameplay might diverge a good deal from the kind of gameplay that the majority of people would actually like and get addicted to. People who are... well simply "casual" players rather than nerds.

"Nerds"? Come now, no need to devolve into blatant flaming. Logical fallacies and implied insults are enough. And seriously, you can hardly call yourself casual when you have no doubt spent hours upon hours on your little "groundbreaking" speech for a game you've hardly played.

I consider myself to be of the more casual sort and I'm simply saying that the fortress gameplay is not as fun and rewarding for me as other possible gameplay modes that I can imagine. You guys seem to be the hardcore gaming crowd that can stand learning every tactical finesse of this game for a month without getting bored, but that's not the casual player who just wants to spend a fun time.

For you, I'm sure there are more fun games to play. This hardly means CC should be changed entirely. I don't like bread, should they make it gummy and spherical? Also what do you mean by not wanting to learn game tactics? DO you prefer for CC to be dumbed down? Do you prefer games which you can learn all there is in 5 minutes? Go play Tic Tac Toe.

A game only has a chance of becoming really popular if it can be learned within 10-15 minutes by casual players of whom a fraction (that is you guys) can spend a lifetime mastering it. The goal should be so hit that sweet spot in between the extremes rather than just trying to please the hardcore gamers who seem to generally add more complexity than is needed for maximum fun while playing the game. Essentially spoiling it for the casual gamer.

This game is not difficult to pick up. Again you are saying complicated games are somehow bad, or detrimental to the casual gamers who seem to be the only ones that matter. Should Virtua Fighter be dumbed down? Should Gran Turismo be dumbed down? Should every city simulator ever be dumbed down?

Right now CC is how Starcraft would look like if all the fanboys from Korea had a say in its development.

It's funny because Data doesn't listen to us and we've only recently got a say in some content, never engine.

In my perversely overweighted opinion that is.

Wry sarcasm =/= good argument.

you people have been talking to yourselves about how dumb napalm is for a page and a half

stop it

You're after gold, and more specifically you're after terriroty that yeilds gold automatically, so why not have the capture item in a particular map be a big gold drill of some sort?