Seperating the brain from the body
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Areku
Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:46 pm Posts: 5212 Location: The Grills Locker.
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
Become a cyborg, then. Replace muscles, bones and other improve-able parts with robotic implants, but keep everything else organically bio-engineered. That way, you can use mutant regeneration powers and robotic armament coming from unspeakable parts of your body at the same time.
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Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:34 pm |
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TorrentHKU
Loose Canon
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:07 pm Posts: 2992 Location: --------------->
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
Finally, a real use for Shook's Anal Kanoon.
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Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:50 pm |
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Cadwaller
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:12 am Posts: 93
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
Phantom, were discussing how to seperate the brain from the body, not whether doing this is more efficient than just keeping a normal body. I agree, brain-body seperation is about the most absurd thing ever, but we have to accept certain criteria when trying to explain part of the game.
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Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:16 am |
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PhantomAGN
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:40 am Posts: 610 Location: Deep below The Map of Mars
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
I consider that part to be relatively trivial, as you are removing complexities, and replacing them with better known systems. If we can make human-grade machines, we ought to be able to work with real flesh.
The brain has chemical energy input, which can already be replicated. Life support for a brain would need biological material as input, but this can be provided in many forms, and genetically engineered bacteria and yeast could be produced to provide the perfect energy drink for your mind, complete with the various mood altering compounds so loved by our current earthly societies.
Getting signal output is still cutting edge stuff for us in 2009, but we are seeing great steps forward regularly. Sending back new data is also complicated, but it has already been shown that the brain's neural network will adapt to even fairly complex nerve stimulation, for example an array of electrode on the tongue, hooked up to an image processor. While limited to a low resolution and grayscale value, test results were very successful.
However, while it's fine and good to be a brain in a jar now, you're stuck dealing with all this crazy bandwidth for your sensors. 1080p resolution binocular vision is going to take quite a lot of band. And that's leaving out the network of touch sensors, audio, and other parts of your system. And that's just for a humanoid biped. Sure, you could probably get away with a mars rover-like avatar, but you're severly compromising your senses. (If you've ever played with those little RC cars with cameras, the lack of sound and low rez screen gets terrifically maddening.) I suppose this is why cortex command is so pixilated? As good a plotwise excuse as any.
Personally, I want this ghost out of its shell as soon as possible. That's not to say that I would be happier permanently removed, by any means, but some tasks that are so complicated to perform in a fleshy body would be made trivial by highly accurate stepping motors and differently shaped actuarial systems.
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Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:10 am |
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Exalion
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:59 am Posts: 1726 Location: NSW, Australia
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
PhantomAGN wrote: I suppose this is why cortex command is so pixilated? As good a plotwise excuse as any. Cortex Command isn't lagging: YOUR MIND IS! A solution to this problem: merge the brain with some external processors?
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Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:48 am |
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tons0phun
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:18 pm Posts: 131 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Re: Seperating the BRAIN from the Body
GloveDude wrote: Lol yeah but what if you gave up yourself for the project...? I had given this thought some consideration, as my focus in engineering is starting to lean towards biomedical. Exalion wrote: So eventually, you'd be a robot with spinal cord and brain the only organic parts left. Yoshimitsu [Tekken 3]. <3 The progress technology is making reminds me of the "aliens" from 2001: A Space Odyssey. First, all organic like ourselves. Then they start replacing limbs. Then organs. Until eventually, they make an artificial body for the mind to occupy. Then they make an artificial mind to store themselves in. But eventually that is shed aside as well. Until eventually they're these ghostly floating conscious entities in a matrix of light. Cool stuff.
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Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:23 pm |
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01271
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:14 am Posts: 31 Location: Vancouver island, BC
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
from what you can see in the devlog it looks as if we have the brain in a bunker hooked up to dialysis machines of unknown size, we also have no visible connection of the brain to any parts, it is in a jar and does not touch the sides of the jar; this suggests that there is a wireless method of thransferring information to and from the brain. I assume that the robot body is not self sufficient for extended periods of time and the brain would eventually die from starvation if left with the little ressources inside that body. I think eventually we could potentially become like the people in "3001 odyssey", able to store an entire human being as data.
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Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:39 pm |
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PhantomAGN
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:40 am Posts: 610 Location: Deep below The Map of Mars
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
I vote nanomachines. Though if we're able to get data in and out of a brain, and feed it too, we should certainly have regenerating actors. Oh wait, we do.
It's irrelevant and a tangent from the conversation, but has anyone else really wanted to see bunker systems that need power systems? For example, energy field doors powered from a central PSU. I think I need to get into scene making.
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Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:21 pm |
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TomThom
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:54 am Posts: 139
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
that would be awesome. you should make/suggest to make a heavily guarded power station that keeps all the doors "alive" or sends out streams of energy through metallic tunnels that create deadly doors. of course, i would probably just crash a rocket into it ... but i guess you could make a forcefield similar to the little shielder gun tool and have a doorway sized entrance.
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:25 am |
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Metal Meltdown
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Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 9:22 pm Posts: 826 Location: Lookin' forward to mocking people on Jan 1st 2013.
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
I'd like to point out that it's already been tried.
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:30 am |
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Seraph
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Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:28 pm Posts: 868 Location: London Server
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Re: Seperating the BRAIN from the Body
tons0phun wrote: First, all organic like ourselves. Then they start replacing limbs. Then organs. Until eventually, they make an artificial body for the mind to occupy.
Then they make an artificial mind to store themselves in. But eventually that is shed aside as well. Until eventually they're these ghostly floating conscious entities in a matrix of light.
Cool stuff. Ghost in the Shell, anyone? (Awesome series.)
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:54 am |
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PhantomAGN
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:40 am Posts: 610 Location: Deep below The Map of Mars
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Re: Seperating the BRAIN from the Body
Seraph wrote: Ghost in the Shell, anyone? (Awesome series.) But of course! What self-respecting futurist cannot know it?
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:12 am |
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Geti
Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:57 am Posts: 4886 Location: some compy
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
THIS WHOLE THREAD JUST ATE 10 MINUTES OF TIME I COULD HAVE BEEN SLEEPING IN ♥♥♥♥ ALL OF YOU IN THE EYES D:< Exalion wrote: no, not yoghurt :D Made the thread almost worth it. some dood wrote: what about brain atrophy? Uh, I say we should continue thinking. Your brain isnt really a muscle, it doesnt wiggle about in your skull or anything. Areku wrote: Become a cyborg, then. Replace muscles, bones and other improve-able parts with robotic implants, but keep everything else organically bio-engineered. That way, you can use mutant regeneration powers and robotic armament coming from unspeakable parts of your body at the same time. This is good. Plates could be added to the weak, fleshy part's skin, and held in place by an exoskeleton, as well as the toughened endoskeleton, and generally better all around. Seems a tad self-centered though, making humans that powerful. We should find a way to give science/intelligence to some of the other species around. Silly people A picture: Attachment:
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:07 pm |
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411570N3
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am Posts: 4074 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
... Laser nipples?
Are... Is that what you drew?
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 am Posts: 7096 Location: b8bbd5
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Re: Seperating the brain from the body
411570N3 wrote: ... Laser nipples? Awesome. Now to show this to a Sci-in-tist or Enj-i-neeer and get them to make it for me.
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:33 pm |
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