because im a lazy bastard ill just copypaste.

dudes, the forum will (yes) change, but not so drastically like you think. Yes there could be some casualties (20-30% chance), but overall this 'change' can turn to a positive way. So, for now lets wait, and we will try to inform you if something will change, how etc. Also. Regarding this god-awfull CHILL rule. It won't got though. The old rules will be still mandatory, BUT(!) will probably change to something less negative. We (the staff) are planning on changing this forum a bit (like merging sections, renaming few others) I really hope this will turn into a positive change. Thank you and goodnight.

Also as a small side note, we've gotten a lot of things worked out between the old gentleman moderators, Data and Weasel. The disdain between the two groups have diminished a lot.

I was exaggerating, but my main point is to not mess up what's already good, and it was directed specifically toward weasel.
Any older admin, mod, or even user, has been around it enough to appreciate it, and realizes the forum has good aspects that should be kept.

Someone sent in from outside to fix the place may not know or consider them, and may not preserve them. That would be bad for everyone.

I just wanted to make it clear that he shouldn't take personal initiative to a rambunctious level, and to rather take it easy and work it out well, which now seems to be the agenda.


I eagerly await seeing the plans for the changes, although I personally would rather their discussion have been public the entire time, so member's opinions and such could be better acknowledged and considered.

Get rid of the black background, it's too negative for the positive utopia we want

FNORD!
but then everything we say would be black, and well, noone can read same on same color writings. It should be customizable. multiple themes that you can adjust in your UCP. but yes i'm beating a dead horse with this. fnord!


I think the only things that should change in terms of moderation of being more relaxed, should be selective. for instance, no trolling which I think is already a rule that is ignored. furthermore to prevent confusion, the use of sarcasm on specifically mod release and mod making should be prohibited, and everything should be taken literally, unless expressly noted. This way we dont get the "oh yeah, thats such a great mod you have there, how did you make your actors out of cubes?" or the more likely "oh no i dont hate it, i thought they where just 'great' teeny tiney impossible to read criticism muttered under my breath." situations.


In casual conversation these things are all fine, but sarcasm & jokes mixed in with feedback do NOT mix, because most people can't tell when its just written out with no italics and teh bad grammers adn speling. ALSO a lot of people on this forum are not native english speakers, and might not get the criticism, and will feel especially bad when they realize it because most sarcasm in criticism is very unkind, and when you learn that it was a joke when you believed it can be especially painful.


Honestly thats the only things I can think of that would regard 'chill as a rule. anything beyond this would be so obsessive, so intrusive and would do far more harm than good.

as for trying to make it a better environment, they just need to talk to the few bad apples, and initiate some sort of dialog to get the individual ♥♥♥holes to chill. if your lazy though, make a post limit. like if you log in, and reply to something, increase the time between replies so that when they want to reply to something they just read that really pissed them off and they want to rant and scream about it and jump down peoples throats they have to wait. when a moderator sees a thread that might cause this, they could increase that time for that thread somehow. like some sort of automated thread lock. like after a post, lock for 10 minutes then unlock, so that people can read it, without 80 replies of OMFG YOU SUCK.

It also means that for an actual dialog, take it to IRC, or messenger, and USE THE DAMN Y!/MSN/ICQ feature in your profiles! the obvious exception to this is in general discussion but even that needs to be moderated closely.


and... i'm out of ideas... again...

A nice bright blue background and theme would be....
completely obnoxious and terrible.
The nice simple dark gray/red theme here is easily better than most forums in my opinion.


Miles, those suggestions are terrible.
Banning sarcasm is ridiculous.
Restricting posting abilities as you describe is insanely unnecessary. It would obnoxiously waste all users' time.

I never said ban for sarcasm, editing out sarcasm by mods maybe, limiting the posting of that user, sure.

and as for 'obnoxiously waste all user's time' well...

think about how many posts are made as soon as someone sees one thing they dont like and they reply immediately without reading all the posts or even all of one post, and everything they say is pointless and spontaneous RAEG, when a few minutes being forced to think about it is all that is needed to entirely end that I'd call it worth it. alternatively, the forced re-read method. when you hit submit, it would re-read your entire post back to you, with all quotes in a whinny ♥♥♥♥♥ of a voice, so that you can hear how much of a jerk you sound like, then ask "are you sure you want to submit this" you know, be forced to read or hear what we said. Hell, a timer based on word-counts, 1 second per word, would work.


the point is, when you have to think about what your saying, there will be much less pointless flaming, arguing and rage. the only hate that would be left is that genuine unwavering hate, that would grow to be ban-worthy. honestly theres only 3 people on this forum that I believe would still be angry spiteful bastards.

I resent that.

However, that aside:Duh speaks the truth.

Hopefully, this gets resolved by the time I get back. Preferably without having to re-register and re-post everything worthwhile. As easy as it would be for anyone in an administrative role to do that, the general community (particularly modders) would suffer. sure, prune old stuff, and bad stuff, and like half of all the general forums, but dont just nuke the forums with reckless disregard.

--gack, ninja'd by miles.
editing out sarcasm is ridiculous. case issues like a tower post of rage against a noob are already dealt with by the staff. outlawing sarcasm is just a bad idea though. An anti-dickheadery/asshattery clause in the rules is not a bad idea though.

I only said sarcasm because it seems most ass-hattery is with sarcasm, of some kind. you know, no ♥♥♥holes at the cost of no sarcasm, no bad sequels at the cost of the good ones. now while no sequels to prevent bad ones is a bit extreme since you can just ignore the bad ones, when it comes to ♥♥♥holes you can't just 'ignore the bad posts' because you'd be lost.


But we've lost track of the subject at hand and gone so far off topic that we're back on it. I believe the point of this thread was to welcome weasel.

So, weasel, welcome to the forum that entirely, and wholeheartedly hates your methods more than Hitlers.

That said can we all just drop this thread, its not getting anything done.

Level-headed Geti is level-headed.

In all seriousness, I'm going to be cautious but patient. I trust the moderation staff knows better than to just dump changes on us without any warning, so I can wait.

Ok so new admin who people have mixed feelings about
Forum wipe in queue
Admin doesn't even have admin color
The result will be interesting indeed.

Btw hi weasel

But seriously, doing that isn't going to make people think about it, nothing can, except consequences they would consider as a possible outcome of them saying it. In the situation of being faced with the delay you describe, I would open another tab, do something else, and then get back to it. This, or something like it, is what most people would do. They will think about what they will say ONLY as per their own judgment.
In the situation of your described forced reread, I would leave the forum for implementing the obnoxious feature.

That isn't to say thought doesn't go into my posts, I personally reread all of my posts at least twice. Whether others do similar varies, but wouldn't be improved by time based posting limitation. Incorporating a system such as the one you propose would only detriment the community by being a waste of time to its users.
And if you are going to make this argument, you should at least bother to make some attempt at proper capitalization.

Prohibited is a synonym of banned.


The topic at hand is welcoming the new admin who is here to change stuff, and we're talking about ideas for those changes, so we aren't unacceptably off topic, and it's a good proactive discussion subject. I don't agree that this thread should be 'dropped'.
But, I am going to guess that you hypocritically didn't think over your posts, and now you're trying to change or end the subject so you avoid facing the consequences of them.

I love this thread for existing

man it's so great hearing everyone get so worked the ♥♥♥♥ up

I don't look forward to this on my 2kb/s capped half of the month. At all.

Also, delaying posts, forced readback, etc. won't really improve post quality that much. You'll find that most of the good posters already read over their posts and these 'features' will just serve to waste their time. You'll then find that the horrendous posters will just go and do something else. Or type up another post as the last one is read out.

Oh, and complain about things when they actually happen or are confirmed as going to happen guys; many you appear to be arguing against a vague attitude and unconfirmed hazy plan.

Also,Try to avoid making these lists. You invariably leave out or forget someone you really shouldn't and it's going to take ages to make an actual comprehensive list that isn't likely going to offend people for being left out. Example of person that should probably be on the list: capnbubs

Miles if we made something to read your posts back to you it wouldn't be able to decipher your illiterate ramblings and would end up crashing your computer

maybe it isn't such a bad idea on second thought