While all this talk of grenade fixing is going on...

I actually like the trait grenades have in which an actor carrying them will, in nearly all cases, explode upon death. Whenever I deploy robots I also stick a couple grenades onto them, so that when their weapons get shot apart (which happens a lot), they can still be useful in causing damage to the enemy. It's also fun to send in crabs with grenades.

But I think instead of out-right eliminating that from the game you could make a grenade/bomb whose function was to blow up upon the death of the actor carrying it. Something to the extent of a sapper-charge; that way you're arming actors with bombs that have an explicit function, rather than exploiting the mechanics.

I don't think anyone is talking about removing the Kamikaze effect from the grenades.

You raised a point that I was wanting to refute in the first paragraph, then immediately dealt with it in the second paragraph sensibly. Yeah, that's what I would suggest. Grenades aren't really supposed to do that, but there's nothing saying that there can't be intentional suicide weapons.

I thought everyone hated the fact that all inventory grenades usually explode upon death, or is it just me who hates them then?

I think grenades should not be dropped on death UNLESS they are the active weapon. Also I think a maximum of ten weapons/items should be dropped upon death so overloading with grenades does not create superweapons.

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Nah, it's fun to load with standard dropship bombs and bodyslam someone.

You can't read, can you?

Because Robolee's suggestion would allow that. You do realize that, right?

I mean in their hundreds. with a ROCKET.

pretty sure that would work with robolees suggestion too

but this is a tricky subject, grenades may be not be quite done right but they are still a prime choice for bunker busting. possibly to make them more useful give an extended aiming trail to grenades, showing bounce and distance. this could be done similar to the grenade aiming trail in gears of war(2). also grenades need to have alot more particles when exploding but with lower velocity/lifetime(a smaller AOE)

EDIT: possibly have ammo for only certain weapons(flak cannon, rocket launcher etc...) this would also make having lighter weapons(assualt rifles, shotguns, pistols) make more sense. as it is now there is little reason to get anything other than the heaviest of weapons because your much more likely to kill several enemies with a heavy sniper rifle than a compact rifle.

I don't agree there. I only use light weapons so I can jet around, that way when I carry just a single rocket launcher and fall down some hole or get stuck in the ground I can't get out without a digger. Don't change the ammo system, it's fine as it is. About bunker busting, I make cruise missiles out of Dummy Rockets. Fill it with a standard dropship bomb, 5 blue bombs, 5 frag grenades, 2 cluster grenades, and 6 pineapple grenades you got something that only costs 200oz of gold and it can wipe out the sniper towers on dummy assault no problems. Or load a dropship with 10 standard bombs, 10 napalm bombs, and 10 cluster grenades then scuttle it high above your target, carpet the entire area with napalm

I'll try making a vid of me using my cruise missiles on Dummy Assault and whatnot.

Learn to abuse jetpack bursts. I can take off and fly to any height carrying a rocket launcher, gatling gun, and an AK-47.

What if ammo and grenades both needed to recharge?

Grenades would work like this: for every grenade you buy, you add that grenades weight to you inventory but you can throw more grenades prior to needing a recharge or the recharge takes less time. Pretty simple, I would like this feature.

Guns would be slightly more complicated: The gun comes loaded and ready to fire, and also comes with a certain number of extra magazines/clips/shells/whatever. When you reload a magazine, the extra clip number, displayed next to the bullet count on the little HUD, would be subtracted by one. There are two options for how to deal with resupply.
One: Once the extra clip size reaches 0, a recharge bar will begin to fill, similar to a weapon reload. Until this bar (visible as a little loading bar, or invisible like weapons reload currently) fills up, you cannot reload your weapon.
Two: There is a shorter recharge bar, and you are constantly refilling your extra ammo supply. If you fire faster than you can recharge your magazines, you will run out of ammo at some point. If this system is picked, I'd recommend a very small extra ammo supply (one magazine or two).

The main reason I thought of giving guns a ammo resupply time was to discourage constant gunfire, encourage pistol use, and give more balancing options to a powerful weapon besides reload time and weight. For example, a shotgun could be given a quick reload, but a long resupply time; this would let the shotgun be very powerful against few enemies, but the long resupply would require a retreat or weapon-switch while it gets it's ammo back.


I'm all for grenade recharge, and I like the way guns currently work, but this is just a suggestion if someone is looking for a way to have guns need some sort of recharge.

I like option number 2 better than one, because if you run out of ammo at a critical moment, you're boned. With the other one, reload is much smaller, so you have more ammo, more quickly.
But why do i care about all this, I have Bioshock to play! ( Yes, I only JUST got it. Shut up.)

Standard US army soldiers carry seven magazines for their primary weapon. Two magazines is not very realistic for far future.

To explain the "charge" time, if this system is ever implemented, how about you say that the soldier has to reload the magazines themselves from some belt (which adds enough ammo that you could arguably call it infinite).

This is still not my preferred way of doing things; I'd much rather just leave it as is. There's enough micro going on already.