http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.ph ... cada&f=327
248,822 threads. If linking to forum threads of people having computer issues is considered worthy evidence, then your argument is not a sound one. Never mind that one of those examples is hardware related. Talk about desperate to make a case.

Not only have I never had a virus, but I haven't had a BSOD since Windows 98! Wow! That's like a decade!

Windows is also free for anyone who buys a new computer, which is about, uh, everyone. How many people actually buy upgrade versions? Not many. And it doesn't really matter much since you get what you pay for. With Windows you get an easy to use, functional, and well-supported operating system. With Linux you're on your own, surrounded by a community of loud and over-zealous neckbeards scaring away the pragmatic rest of the world from using it.

CC on Linux is a waste of time and your attempts at glorifying its real-world usability don't influence reality at all. There is no market. Did you seriously use bundled GNOME games and Windows games run in WINE as an example of games for Linux? Get real.

Hey, let's go sell a game to people who want all their software to be free! Good idea! None of them will pirate it like they did with Penumbra or the other five commercial games released for Linux! This will totally be worth the extra developmental costs.

Don't bother telling Linux users their OS sucks.
Don't bother telling Mac users their OS sucks.
Don't bother telling PC users their OS sucks.
Don't bother telling whitty his OS will suck.

Explain why or why not having CC supported on the OS is a good move for Data.

Obviously good for Windows, it's got the majority of the crowd and Data's a PC user himself, and he's used to it.
Mac and Linux, I'm not so sure, as I'm unsure as to how much of a audience is to be gained from their ports.

And personally I'd hate to see DRL drop it's progress now in favor of Linux support.

^guy likes to throw out opinions as facts^

yeah I think you should read this little article: http://blog.wolfire.com/2008/12/why-you ... and-linux/ you may think 5% isn't much at all, but 5% of 9000 copies sold is 450 linux sales. however you could argue that the development time is not worth it, especially since someone else would have to compile the code for linux and would presumably receive a fraction of the linux sales income.

Also I think much of these "our game is being heavily pirated" articles or press releases are based on predicted sales/quotas not being reached and stuff and not on hard evidence, I mean how can you actually tell if someone has pirated a copy of your game unless you have something which send a single message to a server when it is activated on a computer for the fist time which simply increases a number by one and compare that to sales, even then you have people who don't have an internet connection who bought the game, multiple copies from one disc onto many computers (you could just buy one game install it on all your friends/families computers and tell them to do the same, passing on ownership of the game each time and you could technically install it on every computer in england from one legal copy, and I presume that this would be legal) and an assortment of other things which throw the number out.

Also I have used all three systems and say that I'm stuck with windows despite it's downfalls. because I'm a gamer (mostly indie games but still, even they are mostly developed for windows). Lunix is not really used for anything other than business, it's not designed to be fun and intuitive unless you find technologically complicated things bags of fun. Mac is trying to be fun easy to use OS and has succeeded in that sense, but there's still the lack of developers which support it, and it's heavily preferred in the digital arts industry... but it's by apple, you can't upgrade specific hardware, they are rather expensive and focus very heavily on extremely polished designs, like the ipod series they think fashion/design is the most important thing about a product and do minor changes and release a whole new one every so often.

My final word on the three major OS Contenders. They each have one or two major points to their name. All points are based on the average user, IE, the stereotype.

Windows: Great software and customization, but not cheap or stable
Macintosh: Stable and trustworthy, but not cheap or customizable
Linux: Stable and free, but not much software and a little too customizable


As for Cortex on Linux... Once the developer of a game has Windows functioning, any other OS is really an afterthought, not much more. I have no data, but my intuition tells me that there have been more downloads of Cortex for b22 and b23 for Windows than b22 and b23 for Mac. I would base this on licenses, but those can be unregistered and moved all the time, so they're really not useful for counting OS's.
Thus, my perhaps overlong argument points me to the conclusion that Cortex on Linux would not sell many licenses, thus would not prove to be cost-effective for Data (unless he hired outside and it was cheap).

Feel free to prove me wrong, I didn't see any download counter on the downloads page.

I would like to say the only reason that windows has most software written for it is because most software was written for it.

If you go back far enough in history, you get to the point where IBM asked two people for an os for their new computer line, Gary Kildall the founder of Digital Research and the creator of CP/M which was one of the most popular OSs back then, and Bill Gates, who at the time only made some kind of basic interpeter and a version of Unix what was later purchased by SCO. Digital Research refused the offer, and Gates went ahead and purchased a version of DOS that would work from some guy, renamed it to MS-DOS and licened it.

IBM was a very successful company, which helped spread MS-DOS and it's variants.

Another factor in Windows/Microsoft's success was the abuse of lobbying(will not get into that) and their monopolistic techniques, for an example, the AARD code which was designed to cause errors when you ran Windows 3.1 on any thing but MS DOS.

^ all of this was garnered from wikipedia.

Anyway, you can run CC under WINE with some hacking(if I remembered how, I would post my WINE setup).
This thread actually would belong better in a Linux fourm.

Oh, and btw, that's one linux fourm where 90% of ubuntu users go to.
If you were to combine all the windows help fourms, you would get larger amounts of errors.

Probably because 90% of people use Windows. Are you done with the bull♥♥♥♥ logic yet or are you going to come up with more insignificant "facts" nobody cares about?

You use BS logic, I use BS logic.

You also do have to note that Window's success is not due to it's own technical advantages, but due to the success of another company, which though assorted illegal techniques, Microsoft took advantage of to keep an iron grip on it's control.

Also, looking at your earlier post, it contains stereotyping("neckbeards"), doublethink(on your own, surrounded by a community), more BS logic("Windows is also free for anyone who buys a new computer", no it adds to the cost) and generally seems like the two minute hate, refusing to see the other side and instead yelling out propaganda.

EDIT:
You sound like this fairly common troll:

Replace X with a name of a computer type, like desktops and Y with something you do with X.

Don't blame me if other people don't know how to use linux.
Not to mention, as Exalion said, there are many versions of Linux, I use Gentoo, look for a Gentoo help thread on there.

God, I did not want to make a flame war topic.
Shoulda known...

Wow, you're an idiot. I was calling out MLC on his terrible "logic", giving him equally terrible examples. Learn to read.


blah blah blah monopoly illegal blah blah payoffs capitalism grumble grumble

The funniest thing is that among all the people I've ever let try Linux (really intelligent people that were able to completely work the system), only one of them has ever said they'd consider switching to it. And it was a girl. How's that for breaking stereotypes? No, I take it back, you're right, I've only ever given it to dumb blondes and watched them suffer trying to open up IE. Surely this is why Linux is not ready for the desktop.

Linux is free. If people want it, they can download and keep it. The problem is that nobody wants to. Contribute to an OSS project to help make Linux not suck or shut the f*ck up.


Sorry, that's not BS logic, that's reality. Sure, Windows is "expensive". (even though you use it every day? okay that's your opinon) But reality says that very few people buy windows. They get it for free when they buy a computer, thanks to horrible illegal capitalist ways such as the infamous bundling technique.


I've used Linux for at least half a decade. I know more about Linux and have more experience using it than you do. Don't patronize me, f*ggot.


Yeah, cool I'm trolling, except other types of computers don't have the widespread support and usability problems that Linux does.

Sorry that I enjoy using my computer instead of f*cking with terrible OSes designed for server use.

I'm not saying I hate windows, I'm saying I'm pissed at it.

Also...
http://www.windowsbbs.com/
Look! Wow! Lots of windows support topics! Amazing!

Not to mention Windows has a nice GUI, that's all it really is. It's supposed to be user friendly.

Linux, well, is not based on having a really nice GUI. It's not really user friendly.

Hey, look! Both have A LOT of support forums!
Not, one is user "friendly" and on isn't, and they have about an equal amount of user support forums.
That's not even the only windows support forum! I'm sure you could find plenty.

But, a lot more people use Windows, right?
That is way more of the computer incompetent, right?
But... if Windows is so great, and it has such a nice GUI, why does it have so many unhappy customers?

(Also, it's a tactic, they "bundle" but it's added to the price anyway. It's how they get people to buy computers, by fooling them. Not to mention, I put together my own computers, because the premade one's parts are crappy, when you could pay 5 dollars more and get way more performance on, for example, your video card. What about me, the person who puts together computers? Where is my bundle?)
Also, you say Linux vaguely, what Linux are you so experience with?

Still not addressing the fact that the cost of windows is added to the cost.

Based off your swear density and user name, I doubt that.

Also, the fourms have a built in swear filter, no need for self censorship.

As enlightening as this debate is, you have all managed to steer this thread completely off course into Off-topic, maybe even off this board.

This forum and board in general is for posts about Cortex Command, playing it, modding it, enjoying it and conversing with others about it.
It is not, however, about what computer operating system is superior, inferior, better, harder, faster, stronger, holier than thou, etc.

It is a moot point.
If Data feels like making a Linux/Other OS/Game Console Port he will do so.
It has nothing to do with us and especially nothing to do with this thread.

People like arguing too much, I call it Militus, people begin to post argumentatively and with big walls of text.

I'll get this thread locked
Which moderator to contact. -_-;

I call it "Men have two heads, and are always out to make both of them bigger than anyone else's."

You completely missed the point of me saying message board topics are a terrible metric. Wow.

Windows is more than a "nice GUI". It's a stable set of APIs and libraries you can code for where compiling for the discrepancies of all 4981247 Linux distros is not an issue. Have you ever tried to write software for Linux? Or even tried to compile a project that hadn't been updated in a year?

I don't even see where you're going with your bundling argument. Bundling makes the cost of an OS essentially nil and transparent to the end user. They buy a computer, they get Windows. Price is not an issue. I'm reminded of the old Dell laptops that offered Ubuntu. Windows ones were cheaper.

In my Linux career I've used anywhere from a little to a lot of:
Mandrake (now Mandriva I might add)
Red Hat
Debian
Ubuntu
Arch
(Open)SUSE
Fedora
PCLinuxOS

Then there's the completely terrible distros that I ran the live CD for and never touched again. I'm not listing them for obvious reasons.