I never said it didn't exist.
I guess a better way to word it was that it was the first time I've ever heard of something called Ablative Armor.
So I guess I'm just ignorant on the subject.
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| Author: | Jeffman12 [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
I'm more putting this idea out there rather than making a full on request, but it probably should be considered one. For those of you who don't know. Ablative armor is designed to shatter or disintegrate on weapon impact. What could possibly be the use of this? You ask. Well, it is used in a variety of circumstances, by transferring kinetic energy from the projectile to armor shards that break off, impact damage is decreased on the target. One of the reasons armor piercing rounds are so effective is that they move while the armor they're piercing doesn't. The same principle goes behind any way to calculate damage between a moving object and its target. And now the downside: Ablative armor will not protect against energy weapons as effectively as it does against kinetic. If you had a choice between using no armor, or ablative armor, it would still be better, but the only thing keeping you from being burnt alive inside the armor is how thick it is. Good examples of ablative material you may see around the household: Graphite, ceramics(Porcelain, Clay, etc) I take no responsibility for destroyed pencils and pottery. Edit: Almost forgot to include how I think it'll work. A bullet hits a target, instead of piercing the target, a couple little dirt-style specks of the chest sprite get broken off, eventually, the bullets hitting the armor will chip away at all of it, leaving the unarmored/non-ablative armored soldier beneath. Of course, chipping off the armor would leave areas vulnerable, maybe a double layer would be in order. This would work on vehicles, on infantry, and on combat shields. Like I said before, a weapon with no kinetic force based damage would likely inflict the majority of its base damage, reduced slightly by heat absorption of the armor itself. (Hey, there's another idea, heat conductive armor) This would be an armor alternative, perhaps, maybe as an equip-able 'shield' type item that somehow doesn't take up the offhand weapon. Heat Absorbing/Conducting Armor: Pretty simple, metal armor that would transfer heat to a heatsink on the target's back. Thus it has a weakpoint that if shot off, doubles the once halved effectiveness of energy weapons. The metal armor, no longer having a heatsink to to store and dissipate heat then acts as foil around a potato in an oven. |
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| Author: | Metal Meltdown [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Luaised attachables is what you want, basically. But it would be hard as hell to make because: a)You'd have to tell it each and every single type of round in CC, or add a Lua marker in each weapon to designate it as laser/kinetic, so that it knows what to halve the damage from. b)Damage comes from wounds, I think. c)Laser weapons work exactly the same way as bullet weapons in CC. d)Lua doesn't work on attachables. |
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| Author: | CrazyMLC [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Lol, someone is playing Eclipse Phase. Anyhow, You can't really determine plasma or fire against normal bullets unless you make everyone put tags in the preset name 'Energy' or 'Kinetic'. |
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| Author: | Jeffman12 [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
I thought bullet velocity determined kinetic damage, Oh well... Maybe if the armor was scripted to detect projectile velocity and then.. No that wouldn't work because some energy weapons are slower. Quite the conundrum. Actually, I have no clue what Eclipse Phase is, but I'm going to google it now. I got the idea from my ceramics class and Mass Effect. Wow, Eclipse Phase looks nice, I'm gonna try to introduce it to PolyCon as it seems to have only come out this month. |
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| Author: | Metal Meltdown [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
It might be both wounds and velocity, actually. But the deal is that laser weapons are basically bullet weapons that fire really fast bullets with long trails. That's it, they're only really different in visual effects and amount of damage they do. |
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| Author: | TorrentHKU [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Actually, Data could just add one otherwise pointless variable and make the game a lot more accessable to ini and Lua armoring. |
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| Author: | CrazyMLC [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Oh, Eclipse Phase is a game, the only game where I've ever heard of Ablative Armor, and how you described it was pretty much identical to how it is described in that game. 'Plasma' weapons are really just glowy bullets. I think |
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| Author: | Metal Meltdown [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Erm... MLC, you *are* aware Ablative Armor is very real and used in bulletproof vests and spacecraft re-entry shielding, right? |
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| Author: | CrazyMLC [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
I never said it didn't exist. I guess a better way to word it was that it was the first time I've ever heard of something called Ablative Armor. So I guess I'm just ignorant on the subject.
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| Author: | Metal Meltdown [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Well, the way you said it before made it seem like Eclipse Phase came up with the thing... so, yeah, never mind. Let's get back to bursting bubbles. |
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| Author: | CrazyMLC [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Okay, I'll blow some. I don't have any bubble formula though. |
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| Author: | Jeffman12 [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
You can enhance the life of your bubbles by adding a bit of glycerin to the solution. |
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| Author: | TorrentHKU [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
The great and honorable god of genocide PM'd me about my one variable suggestion. Rather than correct him on what I meant, and fight an uphill battle against someone who would propably in the end win and/or shame me, I'll just post what he said. Oh yeah and, Grif says hi, and also that numgun sucks. I'm paraphrasing there a bit. Grif wrote: Hyperkultra wrote: Actually, Data could just add one otherwise pointless variable and make the game a lot more accessable to ini and Lua armoring. On variable (Kinetic = ? or Type = 0/1) would not make any sense. What would make sense is this: Descriptor = Laser/Kinetic/AAL/Dumb ♥♥♥♥; basically, picture AddToGroup, but not visible in the bunker editor. Add an RTE check to it, eg: for particle in MovableMan.Particles do if particle:Descriptor("Laser Particle","Grifmod.rte"); and you've got something USEFUL to both ini and lua modders. |
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| Author: | Jeffman12 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
I think it would be better as seperate variables, Tiberian Sun had a setup like this: Code: Isweaponlaser=1 isweaponplasma=0 isweaponbullet=0 isweapontesla=0 Etc, etc. This would allow for projectile energy weapons such as searing gobs of plasma that actually have enough mass to push something a bit and arc over low cover. With these presets, weapons can be told some of their behaviors just by the game's coding if you think of these settings as different script libraries. Damage calculation would become a little more standard, without limiting intentionally overpowered items too much. As an example of using two types of weapon descriptors, the destroyer(Dummy weapon) fires an energy ball that seems to move on its own depending on proximity to its surroundings and velocity. We all know energy doesn't just randomly change trajectory, so that implies there's some kind of mass to it. |
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| Author: | TorrentHKU [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ablative Armor(+ Heat Absorbing armor) |
Grif's way seems more efficient though. Mine would have been as well, IF I'm actually right about terminology, but regardless, having a variable saying yes or no to each kind of weapon is a bit wasteful. |
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