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Culthero
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:07 pm Posts: 126 Location: Turkey
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Splicing and Splice
I have seen the movie Splice and I would like to hear about your ideas about the film if you have seen it, and creating (synthetic) life (genetical engineering, cloning, designer babies, splicing, etc. in general.
I personally liked the movie a lot. It had good acting and was like a summary of mankind's progress and tragedy, all wrapped in a not so shiny but disturbingly familiar package. It has references and nods to other films which are at times obvious. You may even watch it as a remake of Frankenstein. I think it's a warning about creating life without responsibility much like The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves was a warning about global warming, developing wrong technologies, and consumerism; destroying nature irresponsibly.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:58 pm |
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Grif
REAL AMERICAN HERO
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:25 pm Posts: 5655
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Ugh, bringing up Day The Earth Stood Still is terrible. That movie completely missed the point of the original, and then threw in that environmental message so ham-handedly that it's almost laughable.
If Splice is anything like that bad then I really feel bad for modern cinema.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:55 pm |
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mail2345
Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:58 am Posts: 2054
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Culthero wrote: developing wrong technologies Hmm? The technology isn't bad, it's just the use.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:46 pm |
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Lizardheim
DRL Developer
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: Splicing and Splice
"Hey I made a mass driver that is capable of launching pods to the moon!" "Thank you, now make it launch nukes for us will you?"
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:47 pm |
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Ociamarru
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:46 pm Posts: 1930
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Hehehe, I didn't feel like watching it after dealing with so much of movies' fake-ass science. I mean, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, saw it with my friend's little brother, and they pulled the whole "Use 100% of your brain" bull♥♥♥♥ that everyone believes is true. Just more fuel for people who think psychic ♥♥♥♥ exists...yep, we absolutely DO NOT use 100% of our brain. Oh yeah, and vibrating molecules lets you transmogrify old cars into new ones, and animate piles of junk into dragons! Yup!
I'm guessing this has some stupid ♥♥♥♥ explaining how the creature goes through accelerated evolution or some stupid B.S. like that...
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:11 pm |
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Lizardheim
DRL Developer
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Acellerated aging and splicing dna is actually possible
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:37 pm |
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Barnox
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:57 pm Posts: 1020
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Lizard wrote: Acellerated aging and splicing dna is actually possible Is how we make insulin. And crystal meth causes accelerated ageing. Just look at the addicts!
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:39 pm |
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Lizardheim
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Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Haha yeah, also, the 100% of the brain bull♥♥♥♥ is bull♥♥♥♥, because if you used all of your brain at once you would probably either faint or die from all the different feelings you would feel.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:40 pm |
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Barnox
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:57 pm Posts: 1020
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Re: Splicing and Splice
We use 100% of our brain, but only blah% of the neurons are firing at any one time.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:41 pm |
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Grif
REAL AMERICAN HERO
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:25 pm Posts: 5655
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Re: Splicing and Splice
From a purely biological standpoint: If we only use 10% of our brains, then why are they so large?
The brain consumes a quarter of the oxygenated blood pumped out by the entire heart. It's practically a ♥♥♥♥ parasite; it's anything but a genetically favorable adaptation if only 10% of it is useful at a time.
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:25 pm |
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Ociamarru
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:46 pm Posts: 1930
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Yeah, you can splice genes and make delicious spicy pickles, and you can accelerate aging, even simply with lots of free radicals, but what are you implying? If you accelerate something's age, it'll evolve quicker? Yeah, make it age so one minute equals a million years, and it'll rapidly DIE. I don't even know what you were trying to prove by saying we could accelerate age...
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Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:50 pm |
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Joe
Joined: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:36 am Posts: 347 Location: The place where asses go to be bad
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Splice was a great movie, but the thing that some folks don't understand is that the product of gene-splicing from scraps is NEVER as clean as in the movie. In all probability, the product will be ugly as hell (not some fine-ass "I'd like to ♥♥♥♥ that" daemon ♥♥♥♥♥). All things need to reproduce and evolve to genetically adapt to their surroundings. But that takes time and ungodly amounts of cash, so we probably won't be seeing anything in a long long time.
Also, another thing the movie producers missed is that a warm-blooded organism can't go into cardiac arrest and still grow (like Dren did twice). Also Dren would have had a massive appetite from her metabolism growing her that fast.
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Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:23 am |
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Geti
Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:57 am Posts: 4886 Location: some compy
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Evolution of anything only applies if there's direct competition exerting a selective pressure upon a population, thus if our brains make us the best in our locality at thinking it doesn't matter if they run at 10% capacity and vamp our oxygen as long as the whole "best thinker" prize bundle includes surviving. Most favourable changes are preserved because they help you survive. Biology has no concept of "most refined", just "keeps me alive". Ants are doing pretty well for themselves in terms of population, and they don't even have an exo-muscular system (limiting their size tremendously), but if their current "feature set" keeps them around evolution is okay with that. It's only where there is a pressure does anything need to change (for example, if everyone was tested in mental arithmetic each month and killed if they scored less than x threshold, the human race's mental arithmetic facets would slowly increase. However, there's very little evolutionary pressure for mental arithmetic, so as a whole we aren't very good at it.) blahblahblah
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Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:46 am |
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Lizardheim
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Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: Splicing and Splice
Maybe so, but that would be genocide wouldn't it?
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Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:03 am |
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Geti
Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:57 am Posts: 4886 Location: some compy
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Re: Splicing and Splice
It's not genocide, it's eugenic practice, and morally dubious. I'm not suggesting we do anything along those lines, I'm just saying there's no evolutionary pressure to quickly remove a perceived inefficiency when it's clearly not causing us any harm. Maybe someone in the next few thousand years will have a mutation that allows their brain to work under much more strain than your average human, or uses 30% rather than 10% for cognitive function, or performs the same function using less oxygen allowing them to use more of it in their motor tissues or whatever and the same mutation doesn't cripple them in some other sense or cause reproductive inability, and that mutation will be dominant and spread throughout a large area of modern human gene pool over the course of another while and we'll develop collectively into a new species of human and cast off those that don't have superbrains or whatever, but unless it's a mutation that causes them significant reproductive and vital advantage there's no real pressure to refine. If anything, with today's luxurious society in western culture we're more likely to devolve, becoming more prone to illness and collective stupidity as the world we've constructed protects us from natural selection. Maybe, by chance it'll go the other way, and we'll slowly refine (as happens naturally in a selective environment), but, as it is, our bodies have no real reason making them get better, so it's not like, urgent. Apparently most of the evolution of the human race has been social rather than physical for the last century or so anyway. That's what I've read anyway. Most of this stemmed from Paul's Grif wrote: it's anything but a genetically favorable adaptation if only 10% of it is useful at a time. btw. I personally have no idea how much of the brain is used actively at any one time, but I do know it's all used at various points, for various things. Haven't done enough psych to be able to tell you anything in-depth about that though..
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