Drugs 101, class is in session
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Tomaster
DRLGrump
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:26 am Posts: 2037 Location: Jerking off in a corner over by the OT sub-forum
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...yes...I don't know why I put deliriousness. I'm pretty positive that was a spelling check error.
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Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:22 pm |
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YHTFLKC
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:08 am Posts: 590 Location: USA
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I'm using a codeine/Tylenol pill to alleviate migraines. How much water should I be drinking to keep my kidneys/liver healthy?
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:01 am |
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Cadwaller
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:12 am Posts: 93
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If you're not using it recreationally, you don't really have to worry about your liver. Just take the dose that was recommended by your doctor. Drugs like codeine/acetaminophen (Tylenol = acetaminophen) are formulated with the acetaminophen so that they slowly kill someone who is abusing them through liver damage but cause no liver damage to people taking them at the intended dosages. The cap for liver damage in Acetaminophen is 4000 mg, which means that you can take 4 10mg hydrocodone vicodins that each have 1000 mg of acetaminophen in them and not risk liver damage. Although dosing yourself on the margin of liver damage isn't a good habit to make, as long as you don't make a habit of abusing pills with acetaminophen in them, your liver will have time to completely recover and also keep your tolerance low for the psychoactive portion of the pill.
If the number of pill you're taking exceeds the cap for acetaminophen dosage, then you have to do a cold water extraction to remove the acetaminophen. This is an extremely simple and efficient process which basically involves dissolving your pills in cold water, straining the water through a filter, and removing the stuff caught in the filter. Then you can either drink the water or evaporate it, giving you a pure powder of the psychoactive you were trying to extract.
Last edited by Cadwaller on Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:59 pm |
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Ragdollmaster
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:09 am Posts: 1115 Location: Being The Great Juju
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Cadwaller wrote: If you're not using it recreationally, you don't really have to worry about your liver. Just take the dose that was recommended by your doctor. ^ Tylenol, like almost any other OTC drug, isn't at all dangerous when taken in the recommended dosage, unless you're allergic to one of the ingredients or something.
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:07 pm |
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Homophanim
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:19 am Posts: 396
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Cadwaller wrote: If you're not using it recreationally, you don't really have to worry about your liver. Just take the dose that was recommended by your doctor. Drugs like codeine/acetaminophen (Tylenol = acetaminophen) are formulated with the acetaminophen so that they slowly kill someone who is abusing them through liver damage but cause no liver damage to people taking them at the intended dosages. The cap for liver damage in Acetaminophen is 4000 mg, which means that you can take 4 10mg hydrocodone vicodins that each have 1000 mg of acetaminophen in them and not risk liver damage. Although dosing yourself on the margin of liver damage isn't a good habit to make, as long as you don't make a habit of abusing pills with acetaminophen in them, your liver will have time to completely recover and also keep your tolerance low for the psychoactive portion of the pill.
If the number of pill you're taking exceeds the cap for acetaminophen dosage, then you have to do a cold water extraction to remove the acetaminophen. This is an extremely simple and efficient process which basically involves dissolving your pills in cold water, straining the water through a filter, and removing the stuff caught in the filter. Then you can either drink the water or evaporate it, giving you a pure powder of the psychoactive you were trying to extract. This works because APAP (acetaminophen) is insoluble in water. Quote: I'm using a codeine/Tylenol pill to alleviate migraines. How much water should I be drinking to keep my kidneys/liver healthy? 1.5-2 liters/day
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:53 pm |
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Cadwaller
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:12 am Posts: 93
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A little fun thing for people who don't want to try drugs but are interested in the effects- I doser is an interesting program which uses "binaural beats", or sound files running at different frequencies to cause the brain to marginally experience the effects of certain drugs. Although there is very little scientific explanation for this supposed phenomenon, some of the "doses" give a 1-dimensional taste of the drug that they emulate for some people, so its worth trying them out to see if they work for you, as there are tons of torrents with all of the files available. I've tried several and only marijuana and demerol work for me; marijuana creates the sensation of the initial rush when weed comes on for a brief period and demerol causes suprisingly strong nodding and opiate-like relaxation. Although perhaps these files work party by simply relaxing the person via continuous homogenous noise into a state where they're more susceptible to the placebo effect, I've had some effects which were weak but easily distinguishable from placebo.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:14 am |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 am Posts: 7096 Location: b8bbd5
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Yeah we discussed that a while back. I believe we came to the conclusion that it's pretty much bunk.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:23 am |
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411570N3
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am Posts: 4074 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
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Cadwaller wrote: If the number of pill you're taking exceeds the cap for acetaminophen dosage, then you have to do a cold water extraction to remove the acetaminophen. This is an extremely simple and efficient process which basically involves dissolving your pills in cold water, straining the water through a filter, and removing the stuff caught in the filter. Then you can either drink the water or evaporate it, giving you a pure powder of the psychoactive you were trying to extract. Tips for filtration: Make sure your filter holes are fine enough to stop the particles of what you are trying to filter out. Using colder water will reduce the amount of things that will be dissolved in the water. You probably don't need to have high purity or high amount of product though, so you probably won't need to bother with this. If you intend to check how much you've filtered out to figure out the optimal conditions for filtration, make sure you wash your filtrate with a limited amount of cold water (while it is still on the filter) and thoroughly dry it before weighing.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:40 am |
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Cadwaller
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:12 am Posts: 93
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Duh102 wrote: Yeah we discussed that a while back. I believe we came to the conclusion that it's pretty much bunk. Except that it isn't. I'm not making claims that its strong, but I know when I am experiencing a drug. I know I lack susceptibility to placebo because I have often done substances with alot of hype, such as benzodiazepines, and experienced hardly any effects when I was expecting strong ones.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:45 am |
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Ociamarru
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:46 pm Posts: 1930
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Yeah, uh, it's total bull♥♥♥♥ and has no real effect. It's a total placebo thing, regardless of what you think.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:28 pm |
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411570N3
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am Posts: 4074 Location: That quaint little British colony down south
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Cadwaller wrote: I know I lack susceptibility to placebo because I have often done substances with alot of hype, such as benzodiazepines, and experienced hardly any effects when I was expecting strong ones. That's not a particularly strong argument, to be honest.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:33 pm |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
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Cadwaller wrote: I know I lack susceptibility to placebo Being susceptible to placebos is not a binary effect. You could for instance be perfectly susceptible to I Dosers but not sugar pills. So, the burden of proof is on you seeing as you're saying they work. Find a rigorous clinical study that compared I Dosers to regular drugs that finds a significant positive result. The only study I could find was poorly made (8 adults? What a joke!), not controlled (Well there's a glaring problem), and found no link to having drug-like experiences, only some vague relaxation effects.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:42 pm |
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Cadwaller
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:12 am Posts: 93
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I don't see why people are so inclined to being excessively skeptical even in circumstances where there is hardly any negative impact from trying the thing yourself. If the thing works and you like it and its no trouble to try it out then its hardly relevant to waste time emphasizing the lack of scientific evidence behind it. I know, for example, that weed gets me high, and I do not feel a need to back this up with studies supporting this subjective experience. In the same way, its sometimes more effective to use something yourself like i doser rather than getting bogged down in unproductive skepticism.
Edit: also, those weren't drug-emulating binaural beats being used in the study you talked about
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:20 pm |
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Tomaster
DRLGrump
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:26 am Posts: 2037 Location: Jerking off in a corner over by the OT sub-forum
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Oh, that reminds me. I found someone who sells Oxys. Does anyone know how long they stay in your system for?
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:13 pm |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
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Cadwaller wrote: I don't see why people are so inclined to being excessively skeptical even in circumstances where there is hardly any negative impact from trying the thing yourself. Fine, here have a claim that has as much backing as yours. IDosers cause your brain to form holes and turn to jelly after prolonged use. IDosers will eventually turn you into a zombie if you use them repeatedly for more than five minutes at a stretch. Prove me wrong. EDIT: Oh and have some anecdotal evidence: My friend tried it and had a really bad nosebleed soon after.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:38 pm |
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