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Asklar
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Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:01 am Posts: 6211 Location: In your office, earning your salary.
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Re: The Lounge
Man that looks really sweet! Are you famous in Netherlands now?
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:44 am |
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maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
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Re: The Lounge
Izen wrote: Neat. Did you win anything besides the plaque? "Eternal fame" so no. Oh wait another group bet us a crate of beer that we couldn't pump the water in under 2 minutes, we did it in 1:02 And this will be my fifth tv appearance in the Netherlands, I'm more famous than clogs.
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:20 pm |
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CaveCricket48
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:52 pm Posts: 13144 Location: Here
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Re: The Lounge
I imagine it has to be fairly precise to maintain a seal, without being too large that it would excessively rub against the chamber or whatever.
Does it still operate well if there's a tiny gap between a gear "tooth" and the chamber wall? How well does it hold up to wear? Would small debris damage the chamber walls/gear teeth?
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:21 pm |
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maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
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Re: The Lounge
In that order: A tiny gap is necessary between the lobes and the chamber(and between the lobes) the loss in volume moved is lesser than the friction that would otherwise occur. Pretty decently so far, the biggest wear points are attaching the lobes to their axles and the Plexiglas bending, which lets water leak into the paper gasket, which then gets filthy. (The Plexiglas was our teacher's idea since he thought it would look cool in section. It does, but before we added the 6 extra bolts it leaked like crazy.) There's some aluminium dust and quite sizable shavings that I couldn't for the life of me extract from the casing so we just rolled with them. Minor scratches but nothing pumpstopping.
Not shown in the photo are the two gears on the back of the pump, the three lobed things don't mesh like gears but instead always seal in the middle of the pump. They were 3d printed and sanded by hand to make them fit. Not quite what I'd call precision engineering. We tried to hire somebody to cnc mill them from aluminum but he didn't get it done before the deadline.
Also fun fact: one of the six smaller bolts is fake, while drilling the hole the drill bit broke and embedded itself in the casing, not a problem on the intake side so we just left it as is out of fear to damage our irreplaceable part. But that's not something you want a teacher to find out, instead we cut down a bolt and glued the head into the Plexiglas cover.......clever am I right?
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:02 am |
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Mackerel
Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 1:30 am Posts: 2876 Location: Rent free in your head. Vacation in your ass.
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Re: The Lounge
SCANDAL
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:11 pm |
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Asklar
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Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:01 am Posts: 6211 Location: In your office, earning your salary.
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Re: The Lounge
That's one of those funny little details that's gonna make for a great joke when you're doing some speeches about it when you become rich.
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:22 am |
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maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
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Re: The Lounge
It's a bit like how beats headphones have extra metal in them so they weigh more which gives the idea of build quality.
But all in this was a pretty fun project. Still not as cool as last year's "propel this baseball through the hole in that steel plate...........NO EXPLOSIVES" and the year before that's "beer crate robot."
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:23 pm |
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Roast Veg
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Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 8:27 pm Posts: 4521 Location: Constant motion
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Re: The Lounge
That's a very nice pump design, and from the perspective of expansion would a similar design with more lobes in various arrangements (such as three around a central point) offer any advantage to pump strength or quality?
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:16 am |
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maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
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Re: The Lounge
Roast Veg wrote: That's a very nice pump design, and from the perspective of expansion would a similar design with more lobes in various arrangements (such as three around a central point) offer any advantage to pump strength or quality? Like this? or this Or do you mean multiple pumps stacked together? In which case I'd refer you to the patent I linked. Another way to achieve a similar, but less effective, result you can make the lobes spiral slightly.
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:15 am |
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CrazyMLC
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:20 am Posts: 4772 Location: Good news everyone!
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Re: The Lounge
What do you mean by spiral? Do you mean, like, have the top and bottom faces not line up?
Is there a reason that the 3 toothed gears were used? Does having more make it less efficient?
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:40 am |
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maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
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Re: The Lounge
CrazyMLC wrote: What do you mean by spiral? Do you mean, like, have the top and bottom faces not line up? Like this. This is one of our failed projects, the walls all subtly curve inwards and thus don't seal, couldn't quite figure out how to fix that in the CAD model. CrazyMLC wrote: Is there a reason that the 3 toothed gears were used? Does having more make it less efficient? When it comes to lobe pumps 2 has the most volume and least amount of friction, but they're a lot harder to seal. 3 fixes the sealing problems and still transports a lot of volume, but has a bit more friction. More lobes after that gives you a higher maximum pressure and a more consistent pressure.
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:03 pm |
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Roast Veg
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Re: The Lounge
I was actually thinking of neither of those. Currently, your rotational axes are all parallel, which is just fine for two, but couldn't you have three if each one was angled at 120 degrees from one another, and the lobes were rounded to seal it?
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:46 am |
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maart3n
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Re: The Lounge
Ah okay. Lets skip 3 gears(because 3 never mesh right) and go straight to four. Then a new problem arises: The casing is an integral part of the pump's design, as the gif in one of my earlier comments shows the water is circulated around the sides of the lobes and the casing forms a seal against them. If 4 were to be placed interlocking like you suggest then none of them would have the opportunity to create a sealed chamber against the casing because they'd all be inter meshing like the 2 are in the middle of a normal pump. Or am I still missing the point here?
(I spend a really long time trying to figure out a way to make this idea work but I just can't. I'd also totally have taken that patent.)
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:24 am |
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Roast Veg
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Re: The Lounge
Suppose a casing was built around this construction (with alterations to the gear design to reduce the number of teeth and make them more lobe-y), then you would have three outer paths for the liquid, correct?
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:48 pm |
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maart3n
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Re: The Lounge
Son of a ♥♥♥♥♥.........
That's right. that might actually work. Probably won't be more effective with the way the drivetrain would have to be constructed and the extra friction it would create. But yes that would in theory work.
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:51 pm |
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