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Gotta take a drug test and I know I ain't gonna pass it to save my life.

trump will not burn america to ashes

the president has much less power than you think he does

all that matters is that hes better than hillary

Ofc they have to get through congress.
Doesn't mean a terrible president can't ♥♥♥♥ a lot of ♥♥♥♥ up.
Such as the supreme court nomination that's currently up for grabs, just off the top of my head.
Or international diplomatic relations.

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Hillary 2016. Republicans are a joke, Bernie has his heart in the right place but I don't see him as nearly as politically expedient as Hillary, which is a HUGE factor when facing the prospect of a Congress whose official majority platform is "whatever the President does is Hitler".

If Congress is going to be a useless pile of ♥♥♥♥ regardless, then I'll take the president who actually wants to change the nation, will get a good political talk going among the people, and isn't under several federal investigations.
I mean, I'll begrudgingly vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, because lesser of two evils, but until Bernie is completely off the ballot then I'll root for him all the way to the voting booth.

Hillary and Trump are both similar levels of ♥♥♥♥ - and yet somehow Bernie is a worse alternative to Hillary?

First off, the idea that Hillary is a stronger candidate is a joke.

Hillary only started her political career in 2001, after Bill Clinton's run as president ended. His presidency and scandals shot her into the spotlight, which she used to start her career. That's about 15 years of political experience, 23 if you count her being a first lady, basically starting from the top.

Bernie on the other hand started his carrier in 1981 as a mayor, where he stayed for 8 years. Then, he moved into the house of representatives in 1991, where he remained for another 16 years. At the end of those 16 years (2007), he became a senator, and as remained so up until this day, another 9 years so far.

That's easily 33 years of experience, which is more than double what Hillary's been through. He's also had to work his way up from the bottom, where Hillary got to start from the top.

Most of Hillary's strength comes from big money backing her. She's gathered support from the big guys in the party to fund her campaign. It also comes in the form of superdelegates - which make up the vast majority of Clinton's delegate lead. Superdelegates are big names in the Demoratic party that can choose to vote for whoever they want, without a vote.

Bernie, unlike Hillary, has his support coming from the bottom up. He's only where he is because of the people who believe in him, not because of deals with the big boys in the party. Not only that, but Bernie has vastly more political experience, and he's worked hard to get where he is today. His heart is most definitely in the right place, and why would you vote for someone whose isn't?

If Hillary gets nominated, a lot of people will vote for Trump just because he isn't Hillary. There's nothing that will ever change that. And Hillary has a lot of ♥♥♥♥ going on, including the federal investigations, and republicans are already to hammer her on these issues. They're ready to take her down.

A video I saw even talks about how a poll says Hillary loses to several republican candidates, while Bernie wins by a landslide.
Might want to double check on some other polls and what they say, but it's still something to think about.

Bernie spent most of his political career as the mayor of a town whose population is comparable to that of my home town. His experience as Burlington mayor doesn't translate much toward holding the highest executive office in the country. Meanwhile, Hillary has eight years' experience as a US senator, and another four years holding the third-highest executive position in the country, not to mention her experience as First Lady.

I agree that Bernie has held the right positions consistently, throughout the entirety of his political career. Except where he hasn't. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... c-contest/ ; http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2513093 ; http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/ ... bay-gitmo/). Above all else, his main advantage as a candidate is that he's a fresh new face, unmarred by the decades spent in the limelight by Clinton, especially given her husband's unprecedented controversy during his presidency. Also he isn't deeply tied to Wall Street, but by that concession alone I am not prepared to hand off the presidency to Bernie for a reason I will get to later. (refer to TL;DR if you must)

Bernie would make a good candidate so far as voting is concerned. He would make the right choices. Hillary would, too. Nowadays she understands the importance of progressive criminal justice reform, as does Bernie. They both recognize that global warming is at the forefront of the United State's problems. Certainly, I have faith she will be a strong proponent of womens' issues. And so on. But at the end of the day, the main issue with American politics is that we have the least productive congress in recorded history. What we need is somebody experienced with working in the extant political framework, and still managing to get things done. An establishment candidate who has experience working with an uncooperative right is an immense asset when contrasted with a former Independent whose views on health care and education and so on are in the right place, but good luck getting Republicans to sign on to any of it. I think Hillary is best-equipped to continue - and build off of - the successes of the Obama administration.

Definitely, if Sanders wins the nomination, I'm voting for him. One thing that's been disgusting me is how many Sanders supporters, friends of mine, have told me that if Hillary wins the nomination and it's even against TRUMP, they aren't voting. I understand you support your candidate with commendable enthusiasm, but to dismiss Clinton as no better than Donald Trump is, to be kind, immensely ignorant.

(For posterity's sake, I'm from a fairly poor family and had no health care until Obama's Medicare expansions got me on Wisconsin's BadgerCare program. All the same, my weirdly-wealthy side of the family has set up an estate of which I'm a beneficiary, and my education is entirely paid for whether I go to the University of Wisconsin or Wharton, so my position on education expenses is peanuts at best)

[TL;DR Bernie Sanders would make a good president so far as issues are concerned, but I feel that Hillary has more experience with - and would be more capable at - reigning in a stalwart congress whose sole platform is to oppose whatever the president wants to do]

Also (sorry for the doublepost), to insinuate that Hillary's political career was solely a biproduct of her marriage with Bill Clinton is borderline offensive. She was elected Senator, and appointed Secretary of State by the chief executive of the United States. Her connection with arguably the most controversial president in modern history has certainly not been without its benefits, but you using her husband's mistakes against her is a prime example of the harmful effect it has had on her career.

Also, Hillary is, indeed, currently leading primarily by superdelegates. I will conceded that it is an undemocratic part of the political process, as her lead by delegates is only 676 to 476. At the same time, she's still leading pledged delegates by a significant margin. Further, counting her superdelegate majority, Hillary has a 1 147 - 498 lead against Sanders. She's probably going to be the candidate you're going to end up with, alongside some Republican caricature.

Not read the rest yet, this just caught my eye immediately. The claims of Bernie lacking experience are total BS.

As far as Congress goes, Clinton is a pretty big brand name in the Big Republican No-No book, I don't think Hillary would have much more luck getting stuff through Congress unless it was by either you-scratch-my-back trades (which feels gross) or by dumbing down and compromising on bills and letting them lose punch in ways Bernie would probably stand his ground on. Moreover, getting a vocal president who preaches American voter involvement and "Get the money out of politics" and etc would work wonders towards pushing the political system towards a less awful future. It might take a few years, but I think Bernie as president would end up causing more positive change than Hillary ever would, mostly because Bernie will push for it like mad, whereas Hillary is just going to sit by with her well-paid status quo.

I'm not arguing that Bernie Sanders lacks political experience, and I implore you to read the rest of my post because I like to think I'm not spouting nonsense. I regret wording it so strongly against Sanders, but that was only because CrazyMLC had so strongly attacked Clinton's credentials. I think we can agree that Sanders is immensely qualified given his multi-decade political career, and Clinton is at the very least similarly qualified.

Please keep in mind that I was responding to a post starting with the claim that, and I quote, "Hillary and Trump are both similar levels of ♥♥♥♥". I would not be unhappy with a President Sanders, just happier with another President Clinton.

PS nothing we say has beyond the most infinitesimal effect on the election PPS I'm convinced I'm better than 99.9% of people at physics and elections are just physics with a lot of variables sooooo #Hillary2K16 all the way

This is honestly my main issue. Hillary doesn't so much make the right choices as she does the popular ones.

Between the stance flipping, the pretty blatant being in the pocket of wall street (she receives huge amounts from big banks and various lobbyists, including several historically republican donors) (also the whole "RELEASE THE ♥♥♥♥ SPEECH TRANSCRIPTS" thing), the general election skeeviness (anti-Sanders push polling and Hillary supporters dressing up distinctively like a pro-Bernie group during Nevada caucuses), and lack of accountability (The ♥♥♥♥ email server thing is already under federal investigation and every bit of news that comes out about it just makes it sound worse and worse), I don't really trust her as a politician to do what's right for the American public.
Hell, I'm not even sure if she can win the general election. I mean, she has the whole Girl Power thing going like Obama did with being black, but quite frankly the Republicans have a practical armory of mud to sling. The fact that she might end up indicted for the email server within the next year, that alone could be enough to sink her chances, even if it's just rumors the GOP spread and throw around on the news and she never actually ends up in legal trouble.

I just don't think Hillary is the sort of person we want to be running the US. Maybe she could wrangle Congress better, but I don't really want her to be wrangling Congress at all.

That's a valid issue to have with her. At the same time, that's what politicians do. At least that's how I justify it - that is, in my mind, another example of her political expediency. Bernie Sanders, I don't think, will be willing enough to make difficult compromises that continue progress toward a better country. There is a reason Obama passed the Affordable Care Act and not a program granting universal health care to American citizens. Real change is incremental and must be worked through the cogs of the political machine.