Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
Newegg has a guarunteed 30 day warranty, so long as there's no external damage, and most manufacturers have their own warranties on top of it. You can order them off Newegg, yes, but I suggest going to a shop, give them the list of parts, and asking if they can upgrade it/do better, because they shouldn't charge much to build and my computer is 170 less than you have to spend. On to the list: Case: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6811119077 (Don't really have to get this one, you can grab a sexier one, this is just the one I got.) Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6814130318PSU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6817171018CPU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6819103228 (Fastest dual core out there iirc) Ram: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6820211064 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820211066 (I got the RAM in that many sticks because my mobo supports dual channel) HDD: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6822148288 (500 gigs, you could get more.) DVDR: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6827106095DVDRW: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6827106245EDIT: Hur hur hur mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 813130123R
Last edited by Ophanim on Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:27 pm |
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LayZ
Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:05 pm Posts: 29
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
If ALL of your RAM sticks aren't identical dual channel can go bananas. OCZ with D9 chips or Corsairs pwnz00r regular RAMs. Intel pwnz AMD in terms of performance. AMD though is the bang for the buck experience if you don't want to overclock the system. The 6400+ is basically a overclocked 6000+, so no need to spend on what you can do yourself. GTS G92 is better than GT (and quite affordable to since I last checked) For the HDD - just find one with uber huge ammounts of cache and buy two of them. RAID0 uuber fastness FTW. And you didn't give a link for a MB or I missed it.
P.S. didn't read the whole topic so I probably epically phail. EDIT: Gimme a budget ceiling and I'll try to compile something.
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:50 pm |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
LayZ wrote: If ALL of your RAM sticks aren't identical dual channel can go bananas.Four slots on the mobo, two 512s and 2 1gigs OCZ with D9 chips or Corsairs pwnz00r regular RAMs.Budget system, and RAM doesn't really matter all that much as to quality. Intel pwnz AMD in terms of performance.Fanboyism, AMD and Intel are the exact same. AMD handles heat better though AMD though is the bang for the buck experience if you don't want to overclock the system.I'm overclocking to 3.5 The 6400+ is basically a overclocked 6000+, so no need to spend on what you can do yourself.AMD voids your warranty if you overclock. GTS G92 is better than GT (and quite affordable to since I last checked)GTS and GT are pretty much the same, you won't notice the difference For the HDD - just find one with uber huge ammounts of cache and buy two of them. RAID0 uuber fastness FTW.I hope you die. You're so stupid it hurts. And you didn't give a link for a MB or I missed it.Oshi, you're right.
P.S. didn't read the whole topic so I probably epically phail.Yes u du. Read the topic before replying EDIT: Gimme a budget ceiling and I'll try to compile something.Just plain rude. Also, he already stated it's 1k Red text makes you an idiot
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:13 am |
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LayZ
Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:05 pm Posts: 29
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
Wasn't intended to be rude -___- Whoops my bad.... OCZs with D9 are affordable. If CL doesn't make a difference you're a brick. Intel is better in terms of performance, I am a TOTAL AMD patriot but I am not a stubborn jackass. Intel's dual core processors provide a near100% of OC room. Try to prove that the CPU has been clocked without uuber specialists who are payed 1k an hour. GTS G92 is better than GT, the diference can be seen in, for example, Crysis. Well, I'm probably so stupid I don't feel any pain (-__-') For those who think that 1337 is a admitance of ♥♥♥♥ - RAID 0 on two 32mb cache hard drives beats the heck out of any loading screen out there.
And I kinda wouldn't call this phail...
P.S. Excuse me if I misspelled something - not native ^_^
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:28 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
Dual means two. So logically dual channel only works if all four sticks are the same. Gotcha. That's why it's color coded to indicate which two go with which. I ALWAYS WONDERED. It really doesn't. Intel and AMD are the same. I've dealt with both extensively and I have yet to see any difference. Yes because overclocking means making your CPU the same exact speed. You pay for the warranty ♥♥♥♥♥♥. If you want to go ahead and overclock from a 3.0 to a 3.2, be my gues and void your warranty. There is no noticeable difference at all. None. It seems so. HD speed doesn't matter at all. If you're too impatient to wait for that HDD to give you your data, you're operating at a much slower speed of time than I am.
I kinda would.
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:35 am |
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LayZ
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
CL counts if you clock. The regular user won't see a difference, a benchmarking user however will. Percentage when stated in relation to OC mostly refers to the ammount gained, therefore if you have a 1Ghz celeron and clock 10% you achieve a speed of 1.1Ghz.... Make them prove that you did in fact OC the given CPU. There is a noticable difference, again for the benchmarker and slightly advanced user though (but there are minor differences for the layman too). Hard drive speed doesn't really matter in everyday stuff, but in gaming it plays a small role.
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:46 am |
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Black Fox
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:49 am Posts: 75 Location: Hail, Hail, Freedonia! Land of the Free!!
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
Okay, you guys are starting to lose me a bit... But that aside, anything I need to know about the motherboard?
I know this is going to make me look bad but... Overclocking is altering a part to make it run faster, right? And if AMD would void the warranty I take it it's a bad thing. (Like I said, nearly no prior experience with computers)
So, now that we have the parts I should get, what else should I know? And how well will this run? What limitations would it have?
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:48 am |
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LayZ
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
OC = raise the clock speed of your processor therefore gaining speed, heat and wear. the first two are noticable, the last, if the computer isn't going used for centuries, not.
Motherboard should have expandability options - SLI, so that when the price drops, you can buy another gfx card and not be left with an aging system with no upgradability.
Nothing else comes in my mind at the moment.
EDIT: MSI fails in my eyes for some reason. For an AMD cpu me recomendz0rz Biostar, ASUS, DFI (suuugar) and Gigabyte. Gigabyte is THE microwave, but if you don't do extreme OC it works well.
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:51 am |
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Ophanim
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
LayZ wrote: CL counts if you clock. The regular user won't see a difference, a benchmarking user however will.He's not savvy or benchmarking, now is he? He's just an average joe looking for help. Don't give him things he does not need. Percentage when stated in relation to OC mostly refers to the ammount gained, therefore if you have a 1Ghz celeron and clock 10% you achieve a speed of 1.1Ghz....Intel procs will not even get you close to doubling their speed. No proc will, I am convinced you're talking out of your ass now. Make them prove that you did in fact OC the given CPU.They have logging systems that check if you've ever OCed. You're an idiot for thinking they don't. There is a noticable difference, again for the benchmarker and slightly advanced user though (but there are minor differences for the layman too).A small difference, i concede, but not enought ot be noticeable. Hard drive speed doesn't really matter in everyday stuff, but in gaming it plays a small role.So small so as to be UNNOTICEABLE Quote: Okay, you guys are starting to lose me a bit... But that aside, anything I need to know about the motherboard?Nothing, aside that it has no SLI capabilities.
I know this is going to make me look bad but... Overclocking is altering a part to make it run faster, right? And if AMD would void the warranty I take it it's a bad thing. (Like I said, nearly no prior experience with computers)Only your RAM and your CPU can be OC'd. It's not bad, but it also decreases the life of a part/increases the chance of part failure
So, now that we have the parts I should get, what else should I know? And how well will this run? What limitations would it have?There is no game that it will not run on high to date. Quote: OC = raise the clock speed of your processor therefore gaining speed, heat and wear. the first two are noticable, the last, if the computer isn't going used for centuries, not.Don't forget your RAM. Also, don't be irresponsible when you tell people things. You really don't want to OC it more than .3 ghz, or you'll DEFINITELY notice the heat when your proc pops and blows a hole in your floor.
Motherboard should have expandability options - SLI, so that when the price drops, you can buy another gfx card and not be left with an aging system with no upgradability.You can still upgrade your ♥♥♥♥, just not add another gpu. SLI capability isn't necessary, nor is it a giant thing speed-wise, but it is awesome when you have two 8800s.
Nothing else comes in my mind at the moment.
EDIT: MSI fails in my eyes for some reason. For an AMD cpu me recomendz0rz Biostar, ASUS, DFI (suuugar) and Gigabyte. Gigabyte is THE microwave, but if you don't do extreme OC it works well.MIS is the leading mobo producer. MSI is respected, and has been for a long time. If you ever suggest Gigabyte for anything again I'll stab you.
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:50 am |
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LayZ
Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:05 pm Posts: 29
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
I don't like the MSI brand for unknown reasons. DFI definately leads the AMD motherboard industry (at least last time I checked aaand it was in my country with not the largest store supplies so I might be mistaken... :/) I told that OC brings heat. -__- The GFX card can be OC'ed too. Benefits gained from usage of RAID 0 can be seen. -__- If I typed 100% I mistiped, 70% is what i wanted to type. Weell didn't know about that. I admit, owned. You're a seem a bit too stressed about this.... Oh and stab me, punk
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:06 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
LayZ wrote: I don't like the MSI brand for unknown reasons. So you're advising other people based on irrational dislike? good job.DFI definately leads the AMD motherboard industry (at least last time I checked aaand it was in my country with not the largest store supplies so I might be mistaken... :/) MSI elads world-wideI told that OC brings heat. -__- Didn't stress it enough.The GFX card can be OC'ed too. ToucheBenefits gained from usage of RAID 0 can be seen. -__- Only if you're doing things which require massive amounts of data transportationIf I typed 100% I mistiped, 70% is what i wanted to type. So you're telling me a 2 ghz Intel CPU can be oc'd to... 3.4 ghz?GeniusWeell didn't know about that. I admit, owned. Took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about.You're a seem a bit too stressed about this.... Eh, I usually sound pissed. Just the way I verbalize.Oh and stab me, punk
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:15 am |
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Black Fox
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:49 am Posts: 75 Location: Hail, Hail, Freedonia! Land of the Free!!
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
Ophanim wrote: So, now that we have the parts I should get, what else should I know? And how well will this run? What limitations would it have?There is no game that it will not run on high to date. My I say, that's one hell of a computer! The motherboard is upgradeable, right? And, what you put on the list is defiantly what I want? Would there by chance be anything better that has come out since you got your? (For the same price that is)
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:20 am |
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LayZ
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
I just can't refuse to thrust my oppinions upon others. Prove it -__- And massive uuber game loading ^_^ If I wouldn't have seen it happen, I wouldn't say so -__- Muah, actually it can, if you use "aftermarket" coolers The realistically achievable stuff is about 40%, but I just wanted to shine ^_^ Hope this post finally settles it... (",) EVERYTHING in the PC is upgradeable, the only problem is that once you buy some things you really don't want to spend on them anymore. CPU and motherboard are the two things you won't want to upgrade anytime soon so they haave to be chosen with care. The PC won't run everything on high, but most games with reasonably programmed engines (not Crysis alike ) will run nicely @ high settings and with DX10 enabled. Not rly. Mby except GTS G92
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:28 am |
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Ophanim
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
LayZ wrote: I just can't refuse to thrust my oppinions upon others. Irresponsible.Prove it -__- Too lazy, google should turn it up realtively easily though.And massive uuber game loading ^_^ A crysis level loads in about 30 seconds on my computer.If I wouldn't have seen it happen, I wouldn't say so -__- You've said a lot of things that aren't true.Muah, actually it can, if you use "aftermarket" coolers The realistically achievable stuff is about 40%, but I just wanted to shine ^_^ So you exaggerated to get your point across? You're a god damn idiot.Hope this post finally settles it... (",) EVERYTHING in the PC is upgradeable, the only problem is that once you buy some things you really don't want to spend on them anymore. Upgrade = replace.CPU and motherboard are the two things you won't want to upgrade anytime soon so they haave to be chosen with care. Agree, minus CPU. CPU is easily upgradeable, provided your mobo fits the new one you want.The PC won't run everything on high, but most games with reasonably programmed engines (not Crysis alike ) will run nicely @ high settings and with DX10 enabled. I own the damn thing, I know it's capabilities better than you buddy.Not rly. Mby except GTS G92 No idea what you're referencing to.Quote: My I say, that's one hell of a computer! The motherboard is upgradeable, right?
And, what you put on the list is defiantly what I want? Would there by chance be anything better that has come out since you got your? (For the same price that is) Like I said, take it to your local comp shop and see if they can come up with any better. I don't claim to know everything about computers, so it's possible I missed something. I just handed you my list, what you do with it is up to you.
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Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:55 am |
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Grif
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Re: Possibly Getting A new Computer - Any Suggestions?
ITT: Jesus christ you had best be done bickering, you two.
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