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I'm really sorry to say this, but a lot of the information posted here is incredibly wrong! I'd like to help you out a bit here--

Why did you change your power supply in the OP? A 9500 does not need more amperage than what that power supply could supply. A 9500 is /not/ a high end gaming card in the slightest. $75 is also a ridiculous price for 550 watts(max eff. 85%).

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The processor is $30 and a Rosewill? It's a cheap power supply, and it's not a name brand; those add up to an unreliable piece of equipment. I'd really recommend not cheaping out on the power supply.


I'm sorry, but what experience are you speaking from here? I've assembled at least 4 builds which all contained Rosewill power supplies. While it may not be a common brand in Europe or whatever similar area you originate from, Rosewill is quite a good brand when it comes to affordable parts. It is without a doubt a reliable name.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

This PSU is just as good if not better for a lower price(if you insist on overpowering the build). Really, you'd be fine with this(I'd like to remind you this build isn't anywhere near mid/high-level, it will NOT use massive amounts of power)-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

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Actually, a small edit to the BCD through the cmd does the trick. It takes about 30 seconds.
Look it up.


The difference is you're not going to be utilizing the RAM as much as you could if you were running a 64-bit OS, even if you tell it to recognize all of it. 64-bit is the future, and there's no reason for a recently assembled box to be running a 32-bit operating system.

Also, very important!

I would recommend you sign up for Newegg's E-mail service. They send cupons and promo codes out to all their people on a regular basis. Hard drives are a VERY frequent promotion, and there are often huge discounts on many of them which will get emailed right to you.


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C'mon, man, a 9500 GT is barely enough to load your e-mail, especially when you have a dual-core 3.2 Ghz processor trying to push it along.

If you spend the extra $40 or so on a 9800 GT, you will not regret it (you'll be crying tears of pure joy, actually.)

I have had my sturdy little 9800 GT in my computer for a few years (before
that, an 8800 GT, they're pretty comparable), and I have yet to find a game
that I can't run at max, or decently high with this card.

Of course, you'll probably need to upgrade your PSU as well (like -$10)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

You will not regret it.


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9800GT Green here, very satisfied.

Only problem I've noticed at all is that the fan runs at max when the drivers aren't running, such as in safe mode or when starting up.


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Why did you change your power supply in the OP? A 9500 does not need more amperage than what that power supply could supply. A 9500 is /not/ a high end gaming card in the slightest. $75 is also a ridiculous price for 550 watts(max eff. 85%).

Actually it does need to be upgraded, all because of the two 12v rails on the Rosewill PSU. They're only rated at +12V1@14A and +12V2@13A, while the graphics card states that at minimum it needs a 12v@18A.

@Everybody telling me about the 9800: I'll look into upgrading the graphics card.


Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:41 am
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Not to ruin the nVidia love party, but a quick comparison teaches me that the new ATI cards are both cheaper and way better. Oh an support dx11. proof
there you have it, a 5670 for 90$ that's faster in every way then the 9800gt overclocked edition.

Oh and I have some very bad experiences with OCZ memory, aka 10.000 memory errors, so I advise against getting those.


Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:48 pm
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Why the hell do you need DX11? It's not like its commonly used as of now.
If I were you i'd save myself the future GFX card upgrade and get something along the lines of 260/285, it'll last you for the next 1-3 years.

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64-bit is the future, and there's no reason for a recently assembled box to be running a 32-bit operating system.

Clearly is, but it's not going to become a new standard within the next year or two. Still too many support issues with older 32bit software.


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Clearly is, but it's not going to become a new standard within the next year or two. Still too many support issues with older 32bit software.

I haven't had a single problem and I've been using 64 bit for the past year. First with Vista then with 7.


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Works fine for you, works shitty for me.
God knows for what reason.

I'm happy with my 32bit.


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Well 64bit is only good if you need more than 3gb of ram or need to use more of the processor.
If 32bit works it works and that's it.


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Patriot24 wrote:
Why did you change your power supply in the OP? A 9500 does not need more amperage than what that power supply could supply. A 9500 is /not/ a high end gaming card in the slightest. $75 is also a ridiculous price for 550 watts(max eff. 85%).

Actually it does need to be upgraded, all because of the two 12v rails on the Rosewill PSU. They're only rated at +12V1@14A and +12V2@13A, while the graphics card states that at minimum it needs a 12v@18A.

@Everybody telling me about the 9800: I'll look into upgrading the graphics card.


You're forgetting that EVERY video card manufacturer overstates their requirements. Recommending 12v@18A is a suggestion for your whole SYSTEM because they want to play it safe as they don't know where their card is going to be installed into. If you look at the power supply list on newegg you'll notice almost none of them are running 12v@18A aside from high-end suppliers. The card itself only pulls 43W @ 6A.

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Oh and I have some very bad experiences with OCZ memory, aka 10.000 memory errors, so I advise against getting those.


OCZ is fine. You probably need to look up what an "RMA" is. Having things come broken is a pretty common issue.

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Clearly is, but it's not going to become a new standard within the next year or two. Still too many support issues with older 32bit software.


Sorry, you seem to be stuck in 2008. 64-bit is the standard. There are no "support issues" with 32bit software. I can run Ultima Online and Descent and XCOM perfectly fine, so if there's anything older you want to be playing it should probably be in the trash.

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Not to ruin the nVidia love party, but a quick comparison teaches me that the new ATI cards are both cheaper and way better. Oh an support dx11.


Yeah, you're kidding yourself if you buy a 9800 right now. Get a 4850 if you're thinking of upgrading the card.


By the way if you're going to not upgrade the graphics card I'd like to show you what you should change it to -

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Get a 4650. Same price, better performance. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

But if you really do want to upgrade a 4850/4870 definitely is a good choice!


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Oh and I have some very bad experiences with OCZ memory, aka 10.000 memory errors, so I advise against getting those.


OCZ is fine. You probably need to look up what an "RMA" is. Having things come broken is a pretty common issue.

Yeah well, apparently they do this often. Store owner said I wasn't the first. Maybe it's just the gold series, I really ♥♥♥♥ up years of art and collecting games because they ♥♥♥♥ up my HDD and I had to clean it.

And well, I guess the previous post was semi right about the graphics. The only thing he missed is that you should have a bit more graphics memory then 256mb. I mean that's just too little.


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Yeah well, apparently they do this often.


Yeah well, apparently the memory must've been either mishandled at the shop or ordered from a crappy wholesaler? Saying OCZ is a bad brand as a whole just because the ONE PART you ordered from them happened to be bad is entirely biased and not the proper way of looking at manufacturers in the slightest. And the fact that you even bought it from a store rather than online is indicative of an extra factor in itself.

You should do a full-scale memtest and prime96 your CPU, as well as stress testing your GPU for 24 hours straight before starting to use it at all.

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And well, I guess the previous post was semi right about the graphics. The only thing he missed is that you should have a bit more graphics memory then 256mb. I mean that's just too little.


Where did I recommend 256mb of memory at all? In the graphs both the card I mentioned and the 9500 have the same amount of memory making it an entirely null factor. The card I linked to had 1gb. The post was entirely correct as far as I can tell.


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Where did I recommend 256mb of memory at all? In the graphs both the card I mentioned and the 9500 have the same amount of memory making it an entirely null factor. The card I linked to had 1gb. The post was entirely correct as far as I can tell.

Just look at the attachment. That's just how see it.

And I just prefer stuff that works every time, like it should. Not stuff that get's refunded 60%(!) of the time. So I've heard, might just be the shipping but still not good.

Anyway, good luck duh. And have fun!


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Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:42 pm
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Sorry, you seem to be stuck in 2008.

I might just be, and i'm totally fine with it. 2008 was a good year.


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Where did I recommend 256mb of memory at all? In the graphs both the card I mentioned and the 9500 have the same amount of memory making it an entirely null factor. The card I linked to had 1gb. The post was entirely correct as far as I can tell.

Just look at the attachment. That's just how see it.

And I just prefer stuff that works every time, like it should. Not stuff that get's refunded 60%(!) of the time. So I've heard, might just be the shipping but still not good.

Anyway, good luck duh. And have fun!


Those two selected keys have nothing to do with what I was saying at all though?

You're buying computer parts. If you don't want to deal with RMAs, you probably should just buy a prebuilt dell/etc. It's clearly not something for you.


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