what i'm really trying to say is that while other mods are overpowered, this one is underpowered.

It's true actually.

Try it against any vanilla actor. The machine guns rape dropships. I can one-hit a dropship with the sniper rifle. The heavy coalition sniper can't do that.

So I have to ask... what mods ARE balanced well against vanilla content?

And if your standard for balance isn't vanilla content, then what is?

DSTech. :3

Actually, DarkStorm ISN'T underpowered. You must remember this faction is used for stealth, not for use in close combat.

it's hard to perform surgical strikes when your unit's carbine shoots bb's


see it's either meh unit strength and good guns or alright guns and powerful units



this mods got meh guns and meh units. nothing really stands out.

The guns are incredibly powerful. You're just using overkill mods.

Of course, everyone balances their mods based on other overkill mods and we end up with one decently balanced mod that isn't balanced because the other mods are too powerful.

If more mods were balanced like Darkstorm, we'd have a reason to use all of those pretty vanilla soldiers.

Well, admittedly this won't truly be the case until B23 comes about. Plus Shoguns ARE for close combat. Shoguns are about as hardy as a Crobo heavy, actually. (if you don't know, thats the strongest crobo that doesn't have that force field thing)


Once I throw in all the Lua features I want (invisibility, EM force fields, regeneration, many varieties of attack methods, new and very agile and versatile units) this mod will probably get a large bump in its overall power level. But we aren't there yet. So honestly, I have to actually agree that my mod IS underpowered right now, but I can't help it without making it overpowered in the same way that all the other overpowered mods are overpowered. And I don't want to do that. So deal.

Don't anyone try to say anything about DS Tech being balanced or it's your standard of balance. Those things are God-like. Every single gun in that mod including smg has sight-range that covers half of the map, plus one shot kill to any vanilla content plus severe terrain rape which means your bunker won't last longer for 10 minutes under enemy fire.

It is fun as an uber mod, to use or to fight against, but definitely not balanced. Darksotrm however is quite balanced. At least it does not utterly rape vanlilla stuff.

However, most mods tends to be stronger than vanilla stuff. No one wants to make a faction with actors who can die from tripping over a crab, right?

I think he was joking

I view sharp range as more of a convenience. Holding down 'Q' lets you look all over the map, so you can pull off some Golgo-13 shots with pretty much any weapon with nice accuracy.


The coalition heavy sniper downs dropships in one hit if you hit the engine. Hell, the 'Rifle Long' does.

While we're talking about balance, I feel a lot of the vanilla content now is too strong. The old "strongest" gun used to be the AK47, with the shotgun fairly close.
Now, there's the uzi - which is stronger than the smg ever was, and 1 handed to boot. Then there's the laser rifle, which pretty much instantly violates whatever you point it at. The miniguns, of course...
The worst offender though is the Flamer Heavy. A tiny burst is enough to kill anything, it cuts through terrain like it was butter, and the recoil is so massive that light actors such as skeletons can use it like a rocket, spewing burning death across the landscape.

So even if you can call a faction underpowered, maybe that's perfectly fine. I, for one, enjoy drawn-out firefights much more than getting instantly snubbed by a revolver cannon.

Mac build has most the Coalition guns rebalanced and the next build will have the Ronin ones balanced too.

The vanilla content right now is very unbalanced. Now, Death mode is pretty difficult.

Very true indeed! The laser rifle feels so "moddy" it doesn't fit in! Neither does the blaster pistol! I'm glad the rebalancing it being done. I've always prefered vanilla battles to any mods.

Maybe with the exception of this, being of the amount of win in one small mod alone.

This mod togother with Unitec mot contains large amount of win tightly packed together.
Cant wait for b23
P.S. DarkStorm is pretty overpowered compared to vanila but nothing compared to other godlike mods *coughaalcough* that even not fun to play. (Unless you are playing Hard against AAL with OMNLY vanila stuff (spike launcher pwns AAL's big robot things))