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 Why was the Heavy Digger nerfed? 
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Post Why was the Heavy Digger nerfed?
I've only just noticed it, using the Untitled faction in the metagame. The brain comes down to a new site with a couple of guns and a Heavy Digger. Where the Heavy Digger used to turn the wielder into an industrial mining machine, now it barely outstrips the Light Digger. The Medium now digs almost twice as fast as the Heavy, and it has not been changed.

I checked Base.rte/Ammo.ini, and found that the Round Heavy Blast is overall a little weaker than the Round Medium Blast. I then checked Base.rte/Devices/Diggers/Diggers.ini, to find that the Heavy Digger's RateOfFire is 2000, whereas the Medium and Light are both at 5000.

Already tried searching "heavy digger", "heavy digger nerfed", and "heavy digger weak", and apparently, no one else has mentioned this. So, I ask you, Content Devs: Why was the Heavy Digger nerfed?


Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:18 pm
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wait the medium is actually stronger now? I mean I stopped using the heavy a while ago in favor of the turbo, but I wasn't aware it was now weaker then the medium...


Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:30 pm
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I'm with you MireFrost - I found out that the heavy digger sucks due to the same scenario. Why is the Heavy Digger still called as such and cost more than the Medium, when the Medium outstrips the Heavy in every aspect (that I know of)?


Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:32 am
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The heavy digger's RoF was made slower to make it look like it's the "heavy" variant.

But as you say, I think it's weaker now. Not weaker, but less useful.


Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:29 am
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A couple of questions for you Mirefrost00:
Can the Light Digger dig through concrete?
Can the Heavy Digger dig through concrete?

that is all


Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:03 pm
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Medium digger digs through concrete faster than the heavy as of now, actually, and I can't seem to find anything that the heavy is better at than the medium. Same goes for digging through rock and bedrock.

The Heavy Digger has become Obsolete.


Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:24 pm
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What about that steel lining in the base?


Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:30 pm
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Please don't misunderstand: I'm not leading up to demanding an immediate resolution. I realize that this is trivial for a knowledgeable end-user to fix. I've already done so. I simply wonder if this is an intentional situation, or an error. If it is intentional, I'd like to know what the reasoning behind the decision was. If it is an error, what should the proper values be? Further, resolution, one way or another, would be handy before the next release. This sort of thing ought not persist through two releases.

EDIT - I didn't really consider this a bug. That said, should I have posted this topic in Bug Reports anyway?


Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:34 pm
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Heavy digger ate through everything too fast. The Light digger is a melee tool and the medium digger is a cheaper more gold dig oriented digger.


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But isn't that why their called 'Diggers'?


Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:36 pm
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Lizardheim wrote:
Heavy digger ate through everything too fast. The Light digger is a melee tool and the medium digger is a cheaper more gold dig oriented digger.


So, is the Heavy Digger intended to be removed? As the numbers are, in the files I stated in the OP, there's no role the Heavy Digger could be given that the Medium Digger couldn't perform 2.5 times faster.


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What part of actually capable of destroying metal is is you people do not understand?


Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:44 pm
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The part where the heavy digger is literally advertised as making tunnels incredibly quickly.

:U

Not to mention that for the past 13 versions (if not more, but i didn't exist pre-B13), it really did eat concrete with great hunger. Now, i'm not one to talk about balancing at all, but it's confusing when the tools suddenly change roles like that, especially with no other indicators of them having done that. Maybe specify in the description that the medium digger is better for gold mining, while the heavy digger serves to crack open bunkers? That'd clear up some confusion, at least.


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Bullets from an automatic weapon dig through metal faster then the Heavy Digger, which takes 30 seconds or so of direct point blank contact with the metal to so much as knock a few pixels out.


Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:37 pm
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Yeah the fastest way to dig through metal in vanilla CC is probably the minigun.


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