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Author:  GloveDude [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:30 am ]
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Seperating the BRAIN from the BODY



I like testing out the chances things have to show up in the near future, or even showing up at all.
So when it came to this topic I asked for Biological advice. :-o
And this is what I got.
We would be able to sustain the brain seperate from the body feeding it blood and oxygen in a case... buuut theres just one problem.
The moment your heart starts beating your brain programs its self (it learns :shock: ) and adapts or could I say live and function in a body only. So in order for our brains to be sustained artificialy you have to be "born" in a case with only your brain actualy growing.
Just interesting... :)

Give your findings or opinions on the chances of seperating the brain from the body.
Author:  411570N3 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:05 am ]
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GloveDude wrote:
We would be able to sustain the brain seperate from the body feeding it blood and oxygen
-_-"
Blood is for carrying oxygen.
GloveDude wrote:
live and function in a body only
Then just make analogues for the parts of the body.
Author:  TomThom [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:13 am ]
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you attach artificial nerves with programmed responses for a perfectly healthy body. long way off to understand it completely, but with more technology it can work. not sure if i don't want a body though. i would opt for a prosthetic body, like the type they use in "Ghost in the Shell". that ay i can plug in when i need virtual reality/computing ability and when i need to travel i can just hop into my body (i don't trust backups being made of my brain in a brain transfer system or something of that nature)
Author:  Foa [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:33 am ]
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Heh, there are many ways you can train a human conscience on how to be isolated from a physical analogue.
ANYWAYS, if we are able to transplant a brain from it's body to a sustaining host with no analogue, one would need to either deprive the target of sensation from it's body, or you'd have to rig the jar with inputs analogous to the human body.

One doesn't need to be born a pilot, or a souless sniper, one just needs progression.
And as stated before by many doctors/scientists, the human mind is able to accomplish many feats, be it experiencing the genocide of one's race and being the only one left, or surviving being buried six feet under from an avalanche in the swiss alps, and seeing your friend nearly die of frost burns, and having.

Though I may know of many ways on how to remove the brain from it's host, it'd probably end up being dissolving the body.
Author:  GloveDude [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:50 am ]
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I agree but ones cells are smart and the message that oh I got no heart spreads through your body quickly, buuut then again you can live for a few seconds without your heart and in that time - will they be able to insert the artificial nerves (ok if you do it progesively part by part - all depends on how advanced the tech is against how smart your cells are).
Anyway just one other thing :-( wasn't the brain made for the body - originaly bound to it -im not talking about the spirit though.
Well we will find out soon... oooor maby not. :P
Author:  411570N3 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:04 am ]
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GloveDude wrote:
I agree but ones cells are smart and the message that oh I got no heart spreads through your body quickly
That message is generally lack of oxygen. If you have oxygen you don't need a heart, really.
GloveDude wrote:
how advanced the tech is against how smart your cells are
That's, uh, not how cells work.
GloveDude wrote:
wasn't the brain made for the body - originaly bound to it
Not really. Sure, brains evolved in the context of a body, but that doesn't mean they're immovable.
Author:  Geti [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:34 am ]
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We deal with thinking as though we arent in our body quite a lot of the time, when we play video games or watch movies that we "connect with". But that's beside the point, really.
You could sustain a brain with a separate food, water and oxygen supply with no big problem. It only hasn't been done because of the ethical ramifications and likely the fact that getting it out of the skull would cause the patient an assload of shock, not to mention anoxia of the brain (cause of all death yada yada) very, very quickly. Could probably do it if they were very, very unconscious, and it was done as fast as could be, but it's not like we're going to try it any time soon with the courts waiting to eat anyone practicing so unethically.
Author:  GloveDude [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:39 am ]
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Not really. Sure, brains evolved in the context of a body, but that doesn't mean they're immovable.

I meant it like a two way, well have to find out because there is a chance that it will work and a chance that it wont.
Im not totaly against the idea, I mean who doesn't want this kind of technology to come out at all, but it does get replies hehe :grin:

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Could probably do it if they were very, very unconscious, and it was done as fast as could be, but it's not like we're going to try it any time soon with the courts waiting to eat anyone practicing so unethically.

haha very true but even though that is so I can absolutely promise you people are doing it in secret -Japanese scientists come to mind-.
Author:  411570N3 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:43 am ]
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GloveDude wrote:
I meant it like a two way
If the spine can be connected properly it'll be fine. That's it.
GloveDude wrote:
I can absolutely promise you people are doing it in secret
I don't think you understand the amount of resources needed to even vaguely attempt this properly.
Author:  Metal Meltdown [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:53 am ]
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411570N3 wrote:
I don't think you understand the amount of resources needed to even vaguely attempt this properly.

Hey, if you can afford to throw away enough money to build a full-size working Gundam statue...
Now, in all seriousness, you'd try to kill yourself the instant you wake up should you be removed from your body.
Author:  Geti [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:06 am ]
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Metal Meltdown wrote:
Now, in all seriousness, you'd try to kill yourself the instant you wake up should you be removed from your body.
So dont put them in something with the means to kill itself. They'll either pass out/die of shock or get used to it.
Author:  411570N3 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seperating the BRAIN from the Body
Metal Meltdown wrote:
if you can afford to throw away enough money to build a full-size working Gundam statue...
411570N3 wrote:
I don't think you understand the amount of resources needed to even vaguely attempt this properly.
Anyway,
Metal Meltdown wrote:
Now, in all seriousness, you'd try to kill yourself the instant you wake up should you be removed from your body.
I probably wouldn't actually, depending on the quality of the body. If it's got the senses working correctly and I'm at least as mobile and able as before, then I wouldn't.
Author:  GloveDude [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:08 am ]
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in all seriousness, you'd try to kill yourself the instant you wake up should you be removed from your body.

Lol yeah but what if you gave up yourself for the project...?
Or were captured and just woke up like that...scary.
Author:  Metal Meltdown [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:16 am ]
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411570N3 wrote:
]I probably wouldn't actually, depending on the quality of the body. If it's got the senses working correctly and I'm at least as mobile and able as before, then I wouldn't.

I don't think you understand. It's not a conscious decision you can make now, since the trauma of having all of your nerves severed and reattached is unimaginable.

There's no way of knowing how you'd react, though if you remain sane, then yes, there is the chance you'll be able to adapt.

But you'll have to re-learn everything, from swallowing to moving your toes. Your brain will still know how to do those things, but your shiny new body won't, since it won't have the same connections to your brain as the old one.
Author:  411570N3 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seperating the BRAIN from the Body
Actually, assuming that kind of situation, you wouldn't have the actual capacity to kill yourself. You'd also probably be in a lot of pain due to the nerve connections not being right. Also, relearning is going to be ridiculously hard depending on how screwed up the connections are, the likelihood being them being extremely screwed up.
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