you're a bunch of ♥♥♥♥ idiots for just letting it go. you honestly think an incident that big should just disappear? it seems more like you're flame baiting than telling your honest opinion on the matter


repenting shouldn't let all sins just be relequished, it's way to easy to just say "i'm sorry, i was an idiot". There's no justification for doing something like that (which is by the way was, a completely ♥♥♥♥ childish thing to do in the first place.)

when someone does something like that, it tells me something about their judgment. The only reason why you're adamant about defending a guilty person is because he's popular. any other poor ♥♥♥hole did something like that and his ass would have been chastised.

Don't get me wrong, thor, i do believe you have the capacity for good things, and personally you're not really on my bad side either. But you just can't let ♥♥♥♥ like that go when judging someone else's beliefs, and the faint (and i doubt it anyways) possibility lingers in the back of my mind that this thread could have been nothing more than a sloppy troll attempt. Think about how bad that deletion ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ up, and what his motives for doing something like that could have been.

I'm not saying we chastise thor, i am saying the way people respect him just like they did before is pathetic, and just shows how desperate this community is for idols and how willing people are to just suck any big name's ♥♥♥♥. Just because something's history doesn't mean it should be forgotten.




it isn't ♥♥♥♥ petty when the opposing side isn't doing to bad. I'm just pointing out this idea presented in the op may lack a bit of grounding in a rational world.

I have a whole new respect for you, NeoSeeker.

I don't really see the purpose of boycotting those posts completely.
I think that the whole report-or-attempt-to-politely-clarify strategy would work well if anyone actually used it.
If you think of the problem users as crying infants or whining toddlers, you'll quickly realize that you can't just ignore them. You need to act in some manner that preferably does not involve death.

Wow, the f word filter makes any attempt at rhetoric look like ♥♥♥♥.

You can turn the ♥♥♥♥ thing off in the User Control Panel under Board Preferences -> Edit display options -> Enable word censor.
See what I did thar?

Haha, NeoSeeker gains rep because he hates Eric. You don't have to take anything I've said seriously--but at least most people are being more open-minded about this topic than you two.

Like I said, love me or hate me (or my idea), but I'm just trying to stimulate some community discussion on the topic. If someone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it--especially if they are an unmoderated community member.

The whole point that I am trying to drive home is community involvement in how things are managed. I don't care how much hate you harbor for me, but I just want people to talk about.

Although, normally I would disagree just on the basis of it being Thor's idea, I would adamantly have to agree that he has a good point. There are way to many posts like this and something should be done about it. Sign me up. (Also, while I agree with Neoseeker on his first part about what he did being childish, I would have to disagree about this topic being flamebait. It seems like a double sided reasonable argument to me.)

Though i agree with the fact that something needs to be done about "NED HALP PLX GIEF GUN ETC", i don't think that ignoring their existence is the right way to tackle the problem. As mentioned so many times before, someone should just give them a nudge (either via post or PM) to say that they should rethink their post and fix up the grammar so it's legible. Of course, some people who aren't native english simply can't do any better, but those people are usually smart enough to notify us about this.
In short, agreed, but not in the way of doing it. If i made a mangled post, and people were completely silent, i'd know squat about what to do next, and i'd definitely not know that the lack of response was due to horrible grammar.

In all honesty, this forum has gone through many arguments of this variety in the past; one of which I brought to light. After many subsequent arguments, I can say that without a doubt this forum has become far more tolerable as far as content goes. Thusly, this current statement/argument is a load of bollocks.

I think some logical fallacies have arisen since last I read this thread. I'm going to state an irrefutable statement:

"A good point made by a jerk is still a good point."

I could continue onward to point out ODIN's obvious signs of repentance (such as starting up a mod database and bringing up thoughtful topics such as this), but in the face of this statement, I don't need to. Even if he'd never made any kind of sign of being sorry, this thread would still be a good thread.

QED

Just because a situation is more tolerable to its previous state doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement.

Real world example:

You drive a car that gets 17 miles per gallon while gas prices are $3.00/gallon. You finally buy a new car that gets 30 miles per gallon, but the cost of gas plummets to $1.50/gallon. Even though you have bought an economically and fiscally responsible car does not mean you can go about continuing to be wasteful of resources. Just because things have improved, relatively speaking, doesn't mean things shouldn't be further refined and improved. Gas prices should continue to go down, fuel economy should continue to go up.

A less technical example:

The phrase "Good, better, best." While we are better than we used to be (good), there is still room for improvement (better), because we are not yet the best we can be. While the amount of idiot thread creation on the board has decreased, there is still a genuine problem with post quality (albeit not as explicit or outrageous as in times past). At the same time, the board has had times where it has been outstanding. We've been better, succumbed to bad, and risen to better--but again, we are not yet the best.

Make sense?

My point, however, is that this is not a good thread. The direction the discussion has turned has given us some good stuff, but the intention that this thread was started under was not at all good. I have no respect for THOR, and this is one of his worst ideas yet.

I am not saying that other people haven't given good ideas to the discussion. And no where in my previous post did I say I was congradulating NeoSeeker for hating THOR. I was congradulating him for making sure people did not mistake Falcon X's statement for truth.

I'm leaving this warning right now:
This topic is inevitably going to lead to flame wars. This is a controversial subject discussed by a controversial member. I don't want ANY MORE trolling at all, or there will be no choice but to lock it.

I'm not hating anyone, hate isn't my thing.

if you actually took the time to read my whole post you would have noticed there was little hate involved.

So then, here are our options, in no particular order.
1. We go with ProjektODIN's suggestion and boycott threads with horrible grammar and punctuation.
2. We do something similar, but post once asking the OP to update and/or clarify his post.
3. We do nothing and continue arguing about ODIN/THOR's past, or what is best for the forum, or something of that sort.
4. We have some widely accepted first-contact pattern to follow for members (read, more than a few active weeks) to welcome newbs with.
5. Some variation of the above.

Personally, I see the third as the most likely outcome.

*Friendly Neighbourhood Mod - 6. We get along and stop flamebating.*