The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
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Crow
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Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:17 pm Posts: 282
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Wait, what do you mean, "better than Data"? Did I say that? All I meant was that the way I play is different from the way Data plays, because I use flak cannons and he uses regular guns. I love the way Data plays, by the way. It seems very fun. But you'd never see Data decide to kill the enemy brain by ramming his own brain-dropship into the enemy brain-dropship. Similarly I don't let my soldiers die as easily as he does. That's all. So in the context of my question about the assault rifle, Data seems to use assault rifles all the time mostly because he never bothers to use the other weapons. So as a person who does use other weapons, what is the special value of the assault rifle?
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:29 pm |
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Asklar
Data Realms Elite
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:01 am Posts: 6211 Location: In your office, earning your salary.
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
You are right on that. Like, I just pick the M16 for some wierd reason. It's not a "specialized weapon", I mean, it doesn't have any remarkable pros and cons. Maybe I just pick it because of that, it's like a pistol but stronger, like a HMG but less expensive/heavy/slow reloading.
I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but sometimes it is so obvious that we forget it. The thing of assault rifles is that they are very simple and reliable, they are good for any situation, that's why they don't stand out when compared to other weapons.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:05 pm |
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Lucem
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:30 am Posts: 232 Location: In a grassy place.
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Actually, from what I can tell, the M16 is a lot more effective than the Coalition assault rifle. First of all, the M16 bullets have no air resistance, and they seem to create exitwounds with ease on limbs. The Coalition assault rifle is significantly weaker, and I have a hard time killing anything with it unless I shoot point-blank.
Also, I don't know if it's just me, but do you people find the shotguns simply too weak? They only fire five projectiles per shot, and even at close range an smg or an assault rifle would fare better against the enemy.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:21 pm |
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Arcalane
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:32 pm Posts: 1609 Location: UK
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Lucem wrote: Also, I don't know if it's just me, but do you people find the shotguns simply too weak? They only fire five projectiles per shot, and even at close range an smg or an assault rifle would fare better against the enemy. Game shotguns walk a very fine line. But yeah, there's a reason I made the 40K Recomp Shotgun as powerful as I did. On the other hand I suppose the AI being able to annihilate you in one or two blasts at longer ranges isn't very fun either. Tricky to balance.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:40 pm |
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Dauss
A HUMAN BRAIN, SAFELY INSULATED FROM THE TERRORS OF HYPERSPACE
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:54 pm Posts: 1070 Location: Somewhere beyond the endless sea of hyperspace, fighting for your right to call a planet home.
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
It is especially hard to balance shotguns in CC because in reality, shotguns deal a tremendous amount of tissue trauma at any range and are relatively easy to use. Transferring these weapons to 2D are a challenge unto themselves.
But in most video games players have an assumption about how certain guns work (For exampe, the Uzi is considered a very accurate submachine gun in the real world, but there is a consensus in the FPS community that it is a spray and pray weapon), so shotguns have a niche to fill as 'slighty better than melee weapons' range guns.
Just use the auto-shotgun for now, it gets the job done at short to mid range, and even long against most unarmoured foes.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:23 pm |
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Kettenkrad
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:51 am Posts: 1198 Location: Sydney
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Re: redundancies of most basic projectile weapons.
I think an unlock system would fix this for as long as there is stuff left to unlock / develop / research / steal / whatever. Or at least lessen the problem of "why use 'x' when 'y' is better in every way?"
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:49 am |
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The Gunslinger
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:53 am Posts: 65
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Or perhaps bump up the price difference between primary and heavy weapons?
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:41 pm |
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CC4E
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:38 pm Posts: 8
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Gun name: Revolver Cannon
What i like: the description sounds great, but...
What i dont like: ...what are the bullets made of? cotton? oO
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:50 pm |
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Lizardheim
DRL Developer
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
But it's already like Dragon's Breath.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:43 am |
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Galacticruler
Joined: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:19 pm Posts: 322
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Coalition Assault Rifle Its a gun. It has a slow r.o.f., too low for it to be a 'Assault' rifle.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:10 am |
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Major
Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:30 am Posts: 853 Location: Auckland, NZ
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Quote: It has a slow r.o.f., too low for it to be a 'Assault' rifle. Quote: The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6] It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock); It must be capable of selective fire; It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle; Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt. And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)
Before stating things like that, do a little research. Just a little. ROF has got bugger all to do with it.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:16 am |
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GunmanRex
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:30 pm Posts: 61 Location: Deep in the land where T-rex Wield Katanas and sniper rifles
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Gun name:Homing Rocket Launcher What I like about this gun:Good high price
What I don't like about this gun and I think should be changed about it:Inaccurate, I will fire with it and most of the time it won't hit anything with the explosion just the shrapnel, heck most of the time it will just fly out into the middle of no where.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:03 pm |
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Lizardheim
DRL Developer
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
No offence but aiming it at an enemy might help.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:38 pm |
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Azakan
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:43 pm Posts: 572 Location: Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:28 pm
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Galacticruler wrote: Coalition Assault Rifle Its a gun. It has a slow r.o.f., too low for it to be a 'Assault' rifle. You do know that a real assault rifle (like this one I've used, pretty close to the Coal Assault rifle in looks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak_5) fires 30 shots in about 2sec in full auto, would not fit in this game I think.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:59 pm |
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Arcalane
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:32 pm Posts: 1609 Location: UK
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Re: The guns in CC and your thoughts (so we can make 'em better)
Azakan wrote: Galacticruler wrote: Coalition Assault Rifle Its a gun. It has a slow r.o.f., too low for it to be a 'Assault' rifle. You do know that a real assault rifle (like this one I've used, pretty close to the Coal Assault rifle in looks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak_5) fires 30 shots in about 2sec in full auto, would not fit in this game I think. The Coalition Assault Rifle has an RPM of 800 in the stat files. The Compact variant ups that to 840.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:13 pm |
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